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Ray Stanford has a photo of the Socorro craft & Martin Willis has seen it and is impressed but...

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I guess I'm being lazy by not going back to reread all these messages, but wasn't there some sort of "evidence" from Stanford that was supposed to be posted here? I want to say this was over 6 weeks ago that someone said something was going to be posted. Please advise. Thank you.
 
Ben Moss said:
Chris I totally agree and time for me to exit. I just tried to share info and thoughts but they wanted to shoot the messenger. Now they can post to each about balloons, psy ops, jungle juice and whatever other reason they can think of instead of what the facts tell us. Hope to see you in Irvine or if not maybe in your neck of the woods.
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So six months later down the road.....is the website up with the photos & any relevant information? I thought this was weeks away 6 months ago. Maybe I misunderstood? Thanks.
 
Creepy Green Light said:
So six months later down the road.....is the website up with the photos & any relevant information? I thought this was weeks away 6 months ago. Maybe I misunderstood? Thanks.
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The website is up but not relevant.
There is now a second picture that shows the craft. Both were taken with an Argus C3 camera using a 50 MM lense. I have read subsequent post and the dissapointment plus those who say it is too good to be true. Well the pictures do not lie the Socorro egg is there in all its glory. Ray currently does not care to release them knowing that he will be attacked regardless of the evidence. My experience here tells me that would be true as many have attacked me and what I am presenting.
Regardless we still pursue release of the pictures. It is an uphill battle. I have suggested to Ray to simply release the 2 pictures on the Internet and let everyone have at it with their skills or non skills of analysis. Time will tell. Since originally posting we have found a lot more data on this case. If you Google Mysteries of Space and Sky you will see our Socorro presentation. Even by posting real unaltered pictures of the craft many will cry FAKE and refuse to believe. That is the nature of closed minds that are set in their own beliefs despite evidence to the contrary.
 
Socorro said:
The website is up but not relevant.
There is now a second picture that shows the craft. Both were taken with an Argus C3 camera using a 50 MM lense. I have read subsequent post and the dissapointment plus those who say it is too good to be true. Well the pictures do not lie the Socorro egg is there in all its glory. Ray currently does not care to release them knowing that he will be attacked regardless of the evidence. My experience here tells me that would be true as many have attacked me and what I am presenting.
Regardless we still pursue release of the pictures. It is an uphill battle. I have suggested to Ray to simply release the 2 pictures on the Internet and let everyone have at it with their skills or non skills of analysis. Time will tell. Since originally posting we have found a lot more data on this case. If you Google Mysteries of Space and Sky you will see our Socorro presentation. Even by posting real unaltered pictures of the craft many will cry FAKE and refuse to believe. That is the nature of closed minds that are set in their own beliefs despite evidence to the contrary.
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Link?
 
Socorro said:
The website is up but not relevant.
There is now a second picture that shows the craft. Both were taken with an Argus C3 camera using a 50 MM lense. I have read subsequent post and the dissapointment plus those who say it is too good to be true. Well the pictures do not lie the Socorro egg is there in all its glory. Ray currently does not care to release them knowing that he will be attacked regardless of the evidence. My experience here tells me that would be true as many have attacked me and what I am presenting.
Regardless we still pursue release of the pictures. It is an uphill battle. I have suggested to Ray to simply release the 2 pictures on the Internet and let everyone have at it with their skills or non skills of analysis. Time will tell. Since originally posting we have found a lot more data on this case. If you Google Mysteries of Space and Sky you will see our Socorro presentation. Even by posting real unaltered pictures of the craft many will cry FAKE and refuse to believe. That is the nature of closed minds that are set in their own beliefs despite evidence to the contrary.
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Look, i Totally get it. i really really do.

In this genre there will always be the denialists who will write off any evidence with no futher thought. This sums it up nicely

Scepticism is integral to the scientific process, because most claims turn out to be false. Weeding out the few kernels of wheat from the large pile of chaff requires extensive observation, careful experimentation and cautious inference. Science is scepticism and good scientists are sceptical.
Denial is different. It is the automatic gainsaying of a claim regardless of the evidence for it – sometimes even in the teeth of evidence. Denialism is typically driven by ideology or religious belief, where the commitment to the belief takes precedence over the evidence. Belief comes first, reasons for belief follow, and those reasons are winnowed to ensure that the belief survives intact.

And this topic is rife with denialists, and it wears down even the most enthusiastic of us at times.

The denialists WILL indeed cry fake, but to not post, to give up our search for the truth on that basis is to let them win. If we let that happen we do ourselves and history itself a great disservice. The people who will indeed cry fake are happy to wallow in their ignorance, and we cant change that.

So instead lets ignore them as the worthless voices they are and get on with the task at hand.

one hundred people could look at the photos and cry fake, but if even one in a thousand looks at them and it sparks some brilliant insight, some quantum leap of understanding, then its worth doing.

History is replete with examples of where just one person looked beyond the naysayers and saw something real, and that changed our world.

Dont ever let the reality that some will cry fake, stop you from pursuing the answers. There are plenty of us who will walk that walk with you. and the denialists can go screw themselves
 
I watched the video. It looks like a lot of effort, hard work & time went into this case. What stinks is that there is still no answer. Seems like were back to square one. I'm pretty sure Socorro is just like Roswell; no matter how many times it's researched were still not going to have a definitive answer. Thanks for sharing the video.
 
Socorro said:
The website is up but not relevant.
There is now a second picture that shows the craft. Both were taken with an Argus C3 camera using a 50 MM lense. I have read subsequent post and the dissapointment plus those who say it is too good to be true. Well the pictures do not lie the Socorro egg is there in all its glory. Ray currently does not care to release them knowing that he will be attacked regardless of the evidence. My experience here tells me that would be true as many have attacked me and what I am presenting.
Regardless we still pursue release of the pictures. It is an uphill battle. I have suggested to Ray to simply release the 2 pictures on the Internet and let everyone have at it with their skills or non skills of analysis. Time will tell. Since originally posting we have found a lot more data on this case. If you Google Mysteries of Space and Sky you will see our Socorro presentation. Even by posting real unaltered pictures of the craft many will cry FAKE and refuse to believe. That is the nature of closed minds that are set in their own beliefs despite evidence to the contrary.
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I'm not sure why his reasoning of not releasing the photo's is because "it will be attacked." If I had finally caught proof of a real space craft from another world I'd release it with the attitude of "I dont care if you think it's real, fake, hoaxed, photoshopped. I myself know the image is real & I am satisfied with that. I could care less what anyone else thinks."

In all fairness, just about everything is attacked. From the mundane to the unbelievable. Jesus, we had two jet airliners crash into the WTC & that footage is attacked (people say it was a hoax, the planes had no marking on them, the planes were carrying missiles and shot them into the towers before impact, blah blah." Everything is attacked. I mean people think the moon is a hologram. There's all kinds of nitwits out there so no matter what - not everybody is going to be satisfied. So I can't see that as being the reason he wont release them. But they're his photo's and his perrogitive.
 
really, too much time spent imagining we know what the UFO is based on disconnected dots: they may be discontinuous events or blurry pixels, but they are not enough to base a reality upon and should not be turned into a mythology. holding back supposed "real evidence" only slows down the field of pursuit. why bother with the science of discovery when you can make things up instead? there is no good purpose there, just imaginings.

that doesn't mean that it's not a mystery worth pursuing, just that methodologies of value are still quite limited almost 70 years later. even the invisible college is still in fragments with little to show, and rarely builds upon methodologies that do have value. sure, there's a lot of stigma and social opposition, but even looking outside of that frame of reference, what have we got but a handful of good ideas and some good critical books that advocate to be even more critical about the UFO. no one is investing real money and few large organizations take it seriously.

so what dominates the scene is a collection of myths and channellers. there is no good reality to be extracted from that space, just countless people promoting the reality of alien abduction, of alien rape, and big space brother support groups led by those who are actually "in contact" and can get you sorted. i'm not being skeptical here just pointing out what a cult is. if the majority of the material is not treated extremely critically then there's just a bunch of possibilities & imaginings, good stories, that spawn dangerous belief systems.
 
Just out of curiosity, how did it come to be that the Virginia MUFON crew are the ones doing all of this Socorro research presentation? One would think it would be the New Mexico MUFON people. Am I wrong to think this?
 
"Ray currently does not care to release them knowing that he will be attacked regardless of the evidence."

If the evidence is as strong as Ray claims, it should speak for itself and be easily authenticated, thereby doing Ray a huge favor and actually supporting what he has always claimed.

Again, this is more posturing. Reminds me of the rednecks a few years ago who swore they had a bigfoot body, but just wouldn't release it. Of course when they finally did, we understood their initial delay. However, if that body was proven to be real, and not a fake dummy, those people would go down in history. They would not be attacked.

Excuses Excuses.
 
withoutlimits09 said:
"Ray currently does not care to release them knowing that he will be attacked regardless of the evidence."

If the evidence is as strong as Ray claims, it should speak for itself and be easily authenticated, thereby doing Ray a huge favor and actually supporting what he has always claimed.

Again, this is more posturing. Reminds me of the rednecks a few years ago who swore they had a bigfoot body, but just wouldn't release it. Of course when they finally did, we understood their initial delay. However, if that body was proven to be real, and not a fake dummy, those people would go down in history. They would not be attacked.

Excuses Excuses.
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I guess we can go round & round with this like last summer. It's just baffling to me why anybody would withhold something that they've bragged about how great it is and will once and for all prove the existence. Completely & utterly baffling. And nobody wants it to be real more than me. I'd love to look at it and respond with "Oh my God. Finally, a clear picture of a craft(s) that IS NOT a hoax etc. etc." But when the position is such as it's been, just makes me think something is fishy. I think if the average person made these claims & wouldn't release the photos - it would be suspicious. But then add in the fact that the person making the claims use to live with and be pals with a known fraud and UFO hoaxer makes it 10x as high suspect - IMO.
 
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Creepy Green Light said:
Just out of curiosity, how did it come to be that the Virginia MUFON crew are the ones doing all of this Socorro research presentation? One would think it would be the New Mexico MUFON people. Am I wrong to think this?
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We are closer to the main civilian investigator and have access to a lot of the original evidence. We will be is Socorro soon. many have forgotten this case.
 
Socorro said:
We are closer to the main civilian investigator and have access to a lot of the original evidence. We will be is Socorro soon. many have forgotten this case.
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And you all wonder why Ray has not released it. This banter, insults and guessing is all the more reason to be wary and release it in his own time. Stop being selfish and feel like you are owed something. If it comes out it will speak for itself. Otherwise get over it.
 
Just more excuses that make no sense from Stanford.

Remember the last time someone was in possession of definitive proof of some ET related photos.

Finally released and shot down within two or three days.

This is all getting too familiar.
 
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