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Ryan Skinner - Skinwalker Ranch
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DL Wallace
Skilled Investigator
I'm not answering for Ryan, just putting a word in from my perspective. If you are less than familiar with the Ranch, reading the first book provides a basis for the phenomena and entities, ambience, etc., associated with the area. Other than that, one does not necessarily influence or detract from the other. The first book is a narrative, in story format. The second is more documentary-like, more investigative--without the speculation or definitive conclusions.
Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
Junior Hicks i think is an interesting character and is obviously a Utah UFO aficionado. There's some good discussion about him in the website below as it relates to how his own personal research connects with two of Salisbury's books on the region:
UFOs - scientific research: Frank B Salisbury's views
If anything, you can see how characters like Hicks play a very specific role in perpetuating and evolving the discussion in his local region and certainly helped to magnify the Skinwalker discussion.
UFOs - scientific research: Frank B Salisbury's views
If anything, you can see how characters like Hicks play a very specific role in perpetuating and evolving the discussion in his local region and certainly helped to magnify the Skinwalker discussion.
DissectionStalker
Paranormal Adept
No one will ever make "the connection" that Jr. Hicks worked for Mr. Sherman for x-amount of time before he sold the ranch to Bigelow. This is a glaring omission, imo, and it is misleading by not including that important fact. This is NOT John Doe electrician by any means. This is the main UT-ET-UFO hunter guy for most of the state of Utah that was connected to the ranch and Sherman before Bigelow.
All I can say is, imo, this raises a red flag for a number of reasons, but no one will know it because of its omission in the book. A "nice rewrite" (NOT!) of ET-UFO history that is quite intriguing and important, imo.
I can't fathom why this should be omitted. This is more than a decade before Ryan even had any involvement with these people. It's past history that should be preserved accurately!
I'm turning this page... no sense in butting heads over this anymore...
Fedora Chronicles
Paranormal Maven
"I'm turning this page... no sense in butting heads over this anymore..."
.... Thanks!
.... Thanks!
DissectionStalker
Paranormal Adept
Thanks for that link above. Here are some comments from that link above referring to the 2005 Knapp book.
This is from Salisbury's book: The Utah UFO Display
* He reports that "Junior Hicks has been visiting the ranch virtually from the time the witness family [The Sherman Family] bought it, and he is thus able to confirm that he heard most of the accounts shortly after the events happened." (p.217.)
* Garth Myers - "...I can tell you unequivocally that up to 1992 there had never been and there never was any sign of that (UFOs and similar activity)" (p.218.) Gorman moved into the ranch in 1994.
* "...the skinwalker version of the ranch's history is badly distorted..." (p.222.)
Btw, the Myers said nothing unusual went on at the ranch before the Sherman's arrived. This was confirmed both by the brother and executor of the estate... the ranch was in that family's ownership and direct care for 40-50yrs before the Sherman's arrived. And, this was also confirmed by Mr. Garcia's son, a direct neighbor to the ranch, saying he was very close to Mr. and Mrs. Myers (they had no children). He worked summers on Meyer's ranch. He heard or saw nothing unusual on the "Skinwalker Ranch".
I heard Mr. Salisbury's interview on Paracast. He was excellent. I definitely believe what he learned about the Sherman ranch. This guy was 84yo in 2010. He was NOT out to make a buck! He's setting the record straight from what he could gather from Jr. Hicks and the several hours he spent interviewing Sherman by phone. He indicated Sherman was very indirect during the interview, and I take it that there may have been differences in what Jr. Hicks thought vs Sherman.
He explained very well, imo, that his Mormon faith did not interfere with his science in the book. When he spoke of his religion, then it was only from a philosophical standpoint keeping that separated from the science. The guy has advanced studies and a PHd and a lifelong career in Academia. He's no chump change.
Here is the free direct download link to this show:
https://www.theparacast.com/podcasts/paracast_101114.mp3
Listen for yourself to get a more balanced view about the history of the area and Skinwalker Ranch. He updated his book in 2010 2nd edition... The Utah UFO Display
Bigelow stopped doing paranormal investigation in 2010 by official announcement and release of all the researchers, etc. Only caretakers seem to be on the ranch now.
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ryan
Paranormal Maven
no not at all, Path of the Skinwalker was MY STORY, extremely biased and entirely from my perspective. I did a 180 with No Trespassing in that it is the stories of others, from a unbiased point of view. I would almost read the second book first, then the first book may make more sense to the reader.
ryan
Paranormal Maven
you are saying so much untrue nonsense it is sickening at this point. Your stating your false opinions as if they are facts. They in fact are NOT. I've spoken directly to the relatives and to past owners. if you read my book you will see where Salisbury's claims are venomously disputed by the very witnesses he claims to have interviewed.
ryan
Paranormal Maven
Garcia and the majority of neighbors I have spoken with have ALL seen phenomena well before Sherman's bought the ranch. Just go away or someone edit block him at this point. Perhaps I should bring this discussion to my forum where we can have a more friendly chat. I have avoided responded and contributing because of this one individual who is ruining it for everyone here.
DissectionStalker
Paranormal Adept
Resident was one of the Sherman children? Correct?
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DissectionStalker
Paranormal Adept
No one is denying this including Salisbury! Geeesh.
He reports what people told him. Listen to that interview yourself. Including that Garcia "senior" has had sightings on his place.
DL Wallace
Skilled Investigator
I must apologize, but word was given not to provide any further information in this regard than what already appears in the book. Not everyone is as keen on public discussion as forum participants in general.
DL Wallace
Skilled Investigator
Our book corroborates your point about the ranch in terms of your last statement.
Fedora Chronicles
Paranormal Maven
I'm done with him, period. He's on my ignore list again. I won't make the same mistake and unblock him again.
DL Wallace
Skilled Investigator
You are making assumptions in terms of Hicks and what he did or did not do for the Shermans or for how long. As for glaring omissions, this is not the Civil War or the Great Hunger. It's not like there's reams of documents lying about. Often, there is but bits and pieces pulled from other sources that are no more valid than the cross-referencing that is available. The objective of the book, which seems to elude you at the moment, was to provide information from some sources that were not generally available and to share some pretty entertaining narratives provided by those who claim to have hand encounters. We took these people, too, at their word without researching for truth. It's all part of the landscape in the Four Corners. I'm afraid if you're looking for something darker and deeper, you'll have to look elsewhere. Sorry.
DL Wallace
Skilled Investigator
In our book, there is an interesting quote by Resident regarding Mr. Salisbury. It presents a different perspective as to his angle on things.
DissectionStalker
Paranormal Adept
The point I got from that is Mr. Salisbury called no one a liar, which Resident alleged. Salisbury was conflicted by what account he had from Jr. Hicks (maybe someone else too) vs Sherman on the phone on some matters. So, Resident 'mistakenly' thinks Salisbury is telling them what happened, when he is just not matching-up with what Jr. Hicks (or someone) said happened. I think the real differences are between Jr. Hicks (maybe someone else too) and Terry Sherman.
Resident says she did NOT talk to Salisbury, and he was in "the middle" between two (or more) sides or accounts he was trying to reconcile.
I think it's unjustified for Resident to also allege that Salisbury is in it for the money! Get real. He was 84yo at the time. He had a wonderful high paying Academic career throughout his entire lifetime with retirement benefits. I also think Resident is unjustified to say Salisbury was putting his religion into the matter somehow. I suggest everyone should listen to the Paracast interview and decide for themselves. Here it is:
https://www.theparacast.com/podcasts/paracast_101114.mp3
Listen for yourself to get a more balanced view about the history of the area and Skinwalker Ranch. He updated his book in 2010 2nd edition... The Utah UFO Display
Not much has happened at the ranch anyway since 2010. Why? Bigelow stopped doing paranormal investigation in 2010 by official announcement and release of all the researchers, etc. Only caretakers seem to be on the ranch now.
D. L. Wallace does confirm this to be true too. Agreed.
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DissectionStalker
Paranormal Adept
If you are referring to Resident, then you need to reread your own book. Resident never spoke to Salisbury. Resident only listened. So, there was no interview between Salisbury and Resident.
Is there a quote from someone else too? Please point the way, if possible.
DL Wallace
Skilled Investigator
Resident infers the conversation with Salisbury was via conference call, though the exact term is not used. Resident further states that the frustration came from Salisbury telling Resident what is was that Resident experienced. To this Res took exception, which Res states clearly. You read it wrong. Res does not state that Res did not talk to Salisbury, Res states having not participated actively in the conversation, not that Res was not part of it. As for Salisbury’s motives, Res presents a perspective from Res’ interpretation. It is not up to me to question that perception, or anyone else for that matter. To assume that age is relevant to Salisbury’s motives is the weakness in your position. Assumptions are like a house of cards. Pull away the card the house is built on and the whole structure collapses.