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[Live at the Witch Trials]

The UK Conservative Party are equal to the US Republican Party in Political Ideology.

 

[Anubis]

So don't tell me it can't happen in a European country!!

There is also the so-called "Kosovo Conflict" during the late 90's that resulted in the worst European genocide since the fall of Nazi Germany.

 

[Cosmic Ejaculator 1814]

There is also the so-called "Kosovo Conflict" during the late 90's that resulted in the worst European genocide since the fall of Nazi Germany.

Country is irrelevant when we're talking about BS bastards - But what scares me so much about some of the Republican Administrations,is their marriage of Christian fundamentalism with politics.

Some of these people actually seems believe that we are in the "End of Days",and they have the power too make that a self-fulfilling prophesy.

My own "belief" is that Islamic and Christian fundamentalism are two sides of the same coin.In fact,they are dependent on each other,in order too stay alive.

 

[Kieran]

I believe history is testament to the fact that the worst "nutters" of the 20th Century were from Germany, Russia, Japan and Cambodia and not the United States.

Hitler was far, far worse than Bush could ever hope to be and a European country elected him and the uber-right NSDAP in 1933, resulting in the most devestating war the human race has ever fought.

in 1999, the ultra-right Rassemblement Pour la France (or RPF) led by Charles Pasqua won more seats than Jaques Chirac's Rassemblement pour la République (led by Nicolas Sarkozy), and came second only to France's Parti socialiste.

To state that Europeans could not elect "Republicans" is misleading to say the least. Europe has elected a lot worse than Bush in its history. All it takes is the proper political climate and any country could spawn the next Hiter wannabe.

Ok just to get this out of the way first,

I siad (those) Republicans would never get elected to a European country that means the Republicans that are in the White House.

I would have sent (no) Republicans would ever get elected to a European country

Secondly i siad Italy would be the only country that would elect such politicans may reasons because Italy is a corrupt society with a corrupt leader , it would be too long to go into the whole details. But maybe if you do a bit of study, you would understand my rational for saying that.

Ireland is governed by a Republican party called Fianna fail. So i think it would be rather stupid of me to say that no Republican party could ever come to power in Europe.Plus politics will alway have left,right, or centralised position goverment in Europe, however if you are talking about Goverments that have a right wing agenda you cant compare right wing goverments in Europe to America because all goverments are never the same they might have the same views and certain policies that are similar but they dont have the same audience or public that vote for them.

First off Hitler came to power because Germany was in a serious economic recession after the Wall Street Crash and was also caused by the money they had to pay to the Allies after World War 1 this was agreed to in The Treaty of Versailles.Hitler was a mad man ,who just captured the imagination of the people at the right time.His party wasnt a party in the political sense it was a movement, which later became a Dictatorship. One power, One man. Compareing Hitler and Bush is kind of stupid, because the times where different and ideology of both man is different. Nazism is completely different to republicanism because one is Totalitarian and other is capitalism which is based on a "Free Market". But to me George Bush is a war Criminal just like Hitler.

 

[Kieran]

I agree!

I live in the "utopian social democracy" Norway,and after 60 years of Labour Party dominance,the Far-Right "Progressive Party" is finally threatening to take power in next election cycle...

Ironically,their base support comes from mainly lower-income workers,but also Neo-Nazi like elements and Republican style marked-liberalists/Christian-fundamentalists.

So don't tell me it can't happen in a European country!!

May i ask do you have a immigration problem in your country that may be causeing neo nazi elements to spread?. Why i ask is there seems to a rapid rise in this type of problem due to the free movement of people across Europe for work.From what i have read Norway is a ideal place to live , or is that changeing rapidly.

 

[Kieran]

The UK Conservative Party are equal to the US Republican Party in Political Ideology.

Yes in alot of ways it is, however the last time i checked a elected conservative party has not been in a major war since 1945. I am includeing Northern Ireland, the Falklands war, and all the other small conflicts in that, but they are not conflicts that are world shakeing.They are in goverment as opposition. But they can at least say this time they didnt start this one, i am actually amazed it turned out to be a Labour goverment, What is the World comeing to!

 

[Anubis]

Ok just to get this out of the way first,

I siad (those) Republicans would never get elected to a European country that means the Republicans that are in the White House.

I would have sent (no) Republicans would ever get elected to a European country

Secondly i siad Italy would be the only country that would elect such politicans may reasons because Italy is a corrupt society with a corrupt leader , it would be too long to go into the whole details. But maybe if you do a bit of study, you would understand my rational for saying that.

Ireland is governed by a Republican party called Fianna fail. So i think it would be rather stupid of me to say that no Republican party could ever come to power in Europe.Plus politics will alway have left,right, or centralised position goverment in Europe, however if you are talking about Goverments that have a right wing agenda you cant compare right wing goverments in Europe to America because all goverments are never the same they might have the same views and certain policies that are similar but they dont have the same audience or public that vote for them.

First off Hitler came to power because Germany was in a serious economic recession after the Wall Street Crash and was also caused by the money they had to pay to the Allies after World War 1 this was agreed to in The Treaty of Versailles.Hitler was a mad man ,who just captured the imagination of the people at the right time.His party wasnt a party in the political sense it was a movement, which later became a Dictatorship. One power, One man. Compareing Hitler and Bush is kind of stupid, because the times where different and ideology of both man is different. Nazism is completely different to republicanism because one is Totalitarian and other is capitalism which is based on a "Free Market". But to me George Bush is a war Criminal just like Hitler.

I am not sure I follow your logic here...

You say that George W. would never be elected in a European country. I countered by providing examples of far worse leaders that have already been elected in European parliaments (Hitler, Milosevic, Pasqua), and that such a statement is not very accurate. Are you now saying that you meant George W. himself would not be elected in Europe? Gerry Adams would never be elected in America, so what does either of those statements prove?

As for corruption, the NSDAP of the Third Reich rivals any civilized country for the most corrupt in modern history. They used rampant ant-Semitism as a vehicle to institute a system under which they systematically murdered 12 million men, women and children, and plundered not only the population of European Jews under their control, but the spoils of every country they goose-stepped into. They even pried the gold teeth from the mouths of Holocaust victims after they were gassed, and shaved the hair off them to make socks for the U-boat crews.

As for the reasons for the rise of Hitler, I fail to see how that has any revelence to this discussion any more than the reasons for Bush's second term. Bush was re-elected because of 9/11, and his committment to seeking revenge in the Middle East. The so-called "War of Terror" could be called a movement by the American people using the same logic that anti-Semitism could be called a movement by the German people. The underlying reasons may be different, but the propaganda is still the same.

I will agree that comparing Bush to Hitler is kind of stupid. Bush hasn't even come remotely close to the amount of corruption, destruction and outright murder that Hitler and the NSDAP unleased upon the world.

 

[Cosmic Ejaculator 1814]

May i ask do you have a immigration problem in your country that may be causeing neo nazi elements to spread?. Why i ask is there seems to a rapid rise in this type of problem due to the free movement of people across Europe for work.From what i have read Norway is a ideal place to live , or is that changeing rapidly.

There's several factors in play here,but yes,we do have some new challenges when it comes to immigration!
Especially people who immigrate from the Muslim world find it hard too fit inn.And the whole public discourse on the matter has been monopolized by the far-right - unfortunately.

Another element is the national debate about how too spend the vast Norwegian oil revenues.The more moderate Parties want's too spend it more conservatively,while the populist right-wing want's too spend it all on one crazy inflation-making bash!!
Somehow "the People" (the Palin crowd) swallows this hook,line and sinker...

 

[Anubis]

May i ask do you have a immigration problem in your country that may be causeing neo nazi elements to spread?. Why i ask is there seems to a rapid rise in this type of problem due to the free movement of people across Europe for work.From what i have read Norway is a ideal place to live , or is that changeing rapidly.

The impression you have of Norway may be a little skewed. I suggest reading "Lords of Chaos: The Bloody Rise of the Satanic Metal Underground". The book is an account of the rise of Black Metal among Norway's youth that culminated in the murders of several people including one of the most influential band members and the burning of over 77 historical churches in Norway and Sweden in the 1990's. Later, the Black Metal underground spawned a pseudo-pagan neo-Nazi movement among the youth which may be responsible for these kinds of elements becoming more prevalent in the country today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_metal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayhem_(band)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varg_Vikernes

 

[Kieran]

There's several factors in play here,but yes,we do have some new challenges when it comes to immigration!
Especially people which immigrate from the Muslim world find it hard too fit inn.And the whole public discourse on the matter has been monopolized by the far-right - unfortunately.

Another element is the national debate about how too spend the vast Norwegian oil revenues.The more moderate Parties want's too spend it more conservatively,while the populist right-wing want's too spend it all in one crazy inflation making bash!!
Somehow "the People" (the Palin crowd) swallows this hook,line and sinker...

Thank you for the reply back.

 

[Cosmic Ejaculator 1814]

Thank you for the reply back.

"We" still have good manners - even with all our "problems"

"We" kinda like the Irish,as well...

 

[Kieran]

I am not sure I follow your logic here...

You say that George W. would never be elected in a European country. I countered by providing examples of far worse leaders that have already been elected in European parliaments (Hitler, Milosevic, Pasqua), and that such a statement is not very accurate. Are you now saying that you meant George W. himself would not be elected in Europe? Gerry Adams would never be elected in America, so what does either of those statements prove?

As for corruption, the NSDAP of the Third Reich rivals any civilized country for the most corrupt in modern history. They used rampant ant-Semitism as a vehicle to institute a system under which they systematically murdered 12 million men, women and children, and plundered not only the population of European Jews under their control, but the spoils of every country they goose-stepped into. They even pried the gold teeth from the mouths of Holocaust victims after they were gassed, and shaved the hair off them to make socks for the U-boat crews.

As for the reasons for the rise of Hitler, I fail to see how that has any revelence to this discussion any more than the reasons for Bush's second term. Bush was re-elected because of 9/11, and his committment to seeking revenge in the Middle East. The so-called "War of Terror" could be called a movement by the American people using the same logic that anti-Semitism could be called a movement by the German people. The underlying reasons may be different, but the propaganda is still the same.

I will agree that comparing Bush to Hitler is kind of stupid. Bush hasn't even come remotely close to the amount of corruption, destruction and outright murder that Hitler and the NSDAP unleased upon the world.

I never siad George Bush could never get elected by a European country. i believe i siad "American Republicans" But i guess anything is possible when you have money.However i believe most Europeans wouldnt vote for his type of policies i dont think Europeans would trust him to tie his own shoe laces.Look does two leaders you mentioned where elected to parliaments that where corrupt so compareing like to like is kind of stupid in my opinion i dont no why you picked pasqua as a example of your point.

You brought up Hitler in your First argument to justify your argument. My point was a counter to your argument i believe you need to read it again.

 

[Cosmic Ejaculator 1814]

The impression you have of Norway may be a little skewed. I suggest reading "Lords of Chaos: The Bloody Rise of the Satanic Metal Underground". The book is an account of the rise of Black Metal among Norway's youth that culminated in the murders of several people including one of the most influential band members and the burning of over 77 historical churches in Norway and Sweden in the 1990's. Later, the Black Metal underground spawned a pseudo-pagan neo-Nazi movement among the youth which may be responsible for these kinds of elements becoming more prevalent in the country today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_metal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayhem_(band)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varg_Vikernes

I thank U for the history lesson!

Yes,you're right about the Black Metal crowd - I prefer Turbonegro,myself...

 

[Kieran]

"We" still have good manners - even with all our "problems"

"We" kinda like the Irish,as well...

Yes we have a shared history i guess

 

[Kieran]

The impression you have of Norway may be a little skewed. I suggest reading "Lords of Chaos: The Bloody Rise of the Satanic Metal Underground". The book is an account of the rise of Black Metal among Norway's youth that culminated in the murders of several people including one of the most influential band members and the burning of over 77 historical churches in Norway and Sweden in the 1990's. Later, the Black Metal underground spawned a pseudo-pagan neo-Nazi movement among the youth which may be responsible for these kinds of elements becoming more prevalent in the country today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_metal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayhem_(band)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varg_Vikernes

As a social society is what i was referring to. Norway has a respected health system that other European countries try to model. Plus they have other top notch public services.

 

[Cosmic Ejaculator 1814]

As a social society is what i was referring to. Norway has a respected health system that other European countries try to model. Plus they have other top notch public services.

Yup,that's correct!

If you sneeze in Norway,the state is there in 2 seconds with a handkerchief...

It's every Libertarians nightmare state - Ayn Rand must be spinning in her grave!

 

[Anubis]

As a social society is what i was referring to. Norway has a respected health system that other European countries try to model. Plus they have other top notch public services.

My apologies. I misunderstood what you were saying.

I live in Canada with a socialized medical system that people from other countries (especially the U.S.) are seemngly jealous of. Unfortunately, our system is not free, nor is it very good IMO. A medical system is only good when you can actually find a doctor to treat you when you get sick (and I pay 12% of my annual salary for this???).

My point? Don't judge other systems as an outsider looking in. Often the experience of those who live under it are vastly different from the opinions of those who do not.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

My apologies. I misunderstood what you were saying.

I live in Canada with a socialized medical system that people from other countries (especially the U.S.) are seemngly jealous of. Unfortunately, our system is not free, nor is it very good IMO. A medical system is only good when you can actually find a doctor to treat you when you get sick (and I pay 12% of my annual salary for this???).

My point? Don't judge other systems as an outsider looking in. Often the experience of those who live under it are vastly different from the opinions of those who do not.

You speak of a place where that system is clearly broken. What about in Europe?

My son will be living for nine months in Spain, working in Madrid. He will have the country's medical coverage during that period. Anyone know much about it?

 

[Anubis]

I thank U for the history lesson!

Yes,you're right about the Black Metal crowd - I prefer Turbonegro,myself...

I thought that it should be mentioned, as those that followed this scene in their youth would be in their mid-30s now. If a lot of these people still have strong feelings for National Socialism, this may be reflected in some of the politics of the country. However, that is only speculation on my part. Undoubtedly, Norway did take Black Metal to the absolute extreme though.

I grew up with Thrash, so I'm not really one for Black Metal. Slayer was my favourite in high school and continues to be one of my favourite bands.

 

[Anubis]

You speak of a place where that system is clearly broken. What about in Europe?

Hey Gene,

I don't know about Europe, but Canada's system is not at all what it is cracked up to be. The problem we have here is that whenever privatization comes up, people look south of the border and say "not here!" As a result, we receive sub-standard care and pretend it is the best in the world. Little wonder they advertise medical travel to India on our radio.