The Myth Of The Myth Of Flying Saucers.

[tyder001]

Mike said: Ive said it before, but i find the whole ipad to someone in the middle ages is a poor comparison.

We have better diagnostic tools and knowledge than they did, we are far far better positioned to reverse engineer any technology be it ours or someone elses with the electron microscopes and other advanced tools at our disposal.

While its true someone in the middle ages would be unlikely to reverse engineer an Ipad, give that Ipad to a chinese company who had never seen it before, and they will whip out a cheap copy in a few months.


Good points. Also, our brain and somebody from the middle ages would still be basically the same as far as being able to learn. No, they wouldn't have the infrastructure but we have come a long way and I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm just saying it's not impossible. Still have to agree with Trained in that there is a clear line of advancement in our technological knowledge. Also, I have bookmarked Posey's site and it is interesting and I'm gonna go back when I get a little more time.

 

[tyder001]

Yeah, the folks here will challenge you Posey. But, you seem to hold your own well. I find that although I get irritated at times and feel like saying "F it" after some forum encounters. I keep coming back because all in all it is challenging and interesting. We don't always agree and there are times when it gets a little over the top. But, this forum (and no, I haven't tried em all.) is a good place to float your ideas and opinions and see how they hold up.

 

[trainedobserver]

For all those interested I have posts in other forums here.
They all have pictures and links to my site where I have many things posted that may answer some of your questions.
Check my profile here to find my other postings.
I nevertheless will try to answer all the great questions you post here.
Finally a place with real thinking people with intelligent questions.
Waah hoo!
Please feel free to contact me via my email from there.

I've read through a good bit of your stuff. You are a prolific writer to be sure. I really appreciate your willingness to share your experiences and thoughts.

Based on my reading I have a question:
You seem to put a lot of confidence in the work of Zecharia Sitchin. Michael S. Heiser, Ph.D., Hebrew and Semitic Studies, University of Wisconsin-Madison has done a scholarly dismantling of Sitchin and his theories based on Heiser's verifiable academic credentials and work as a professional linguist. Sitchin had a masters in economics and could provide no evidence of ever having taken a single course in the subjects he is most famous for writing about. Why place any confidence in his theories or promote them at all?

 

[tyder001]

Trainedobserver wrote: Based on my reading I have a question:
You seem to put a lot of confidence in the work of Zecharia Sitchin. Michael S. Heiser, Ph.D., Hebrew and Semitic Studies, University of Wisconsin-Madison has done a scholarly dismantling of Sitchin and his theories based on Heiser's verifiable academic credentials and work as a professional linguist. Sitchin had a masters in economics and could provide no evidence of ever having taken a single course in the subjects he is most famous for writing about. Why place any confidence in his theories or promote them at all?

Good question. I have read some of Heiser also.

 

[trainedobserver]

Good question. I have read some of Heiser also.

There is an excellent presentation on youTube that Heiser gives that explains in detail why Sitchin wasn't what he claimed to be, namely an expert in Sumerian languages. The modern UFO mythos is sprinkled with bits and pieces of what has been proven to be Sitchin fiction. The fact that it gets picked up and reused and folded into so much despite there being absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe anything Sitchin wrote is problematic when you are talking UFO myth vs UFO reality.

I've heard from folks who met him that Sitchin was a nice enough guy. Regrettably that has never proven to count for much in these sorts of cases.

 

[Posey Gilbert]

me too. i would love to be abducted. being a tall nordic with O neg blood they should be all over me right? .....
i would bring a camera tho.

Silent Monkeys​

"Was I psychic and that is why they chose me or did they make me psychic?"
That question is eventually asked by all Experiencers.
I tend to think it is both of the above.
Think of it if we discovered a group of monkeys and found out that every now and then one was born that some how understood our native tongue what ever that was would we not focus on that monkey, and others like it?
Would we not hunt out these monkeys to make contact with rather than the others.
Sure we would deal with the (Silent Monkeys) too, but our main contact would be with those we could talk to.
Then too, because our brains do contain magnets and "They" the aliens do use hyper magnets in their devices we could become "super magnetized" by contact with them.
Or in other cases much like a bar of iron when it comes into contact with a strong magnetic field it too can become a magnet, and suddenly find itself attracting all kinds of things it never did before.
This may be why one abductee can tell a true abductee from a false one just by looking into their eyes, body movement, or just listening to them speak.
There is a cadence, rhythm, and syntax to an encounter that the true abductee will use in describing it, yet absent the experience of a real encounter a non abductee will not use these expressions to describe a false one because it is not a part of regular human lingo.
Reading books about abduction can supply the terminology but not the feeling that is generated about and by True Experiencers.
The look can be faked, but not the psychic feeling or the P.V.F (Psychic Vibrational Frequency) so to say, of an Encounteror.
This was why no true Experiencer was among those of the Heavens Gate tragedy, although we get lumped in with them by the media.
True Experiencers could not be fooled by cultist propaganda, although they may attend a meeting to see if there are others there like themselves.
Although I love science fiction, monster movies, and fantasy films, but I know the difference between real and fake too.
I attend UFO conferences but I do not buy alien tee shirts or run about in flying saucer hats.
I except that I have been abducted but I do not love or hate them, I do not affix every weird thing that happens in my daily life to Them, although I do know they monitor my life now and then.
I do have a site and talk to others about this but that is because I am looking for answers, in fact I did not start to read about UFOs until after I saw them for myself.
It took years before I excepted I had been an abductee, I thought they were more of spiritual contacts, or encounters with demons or monsters.
Never did I think they were aliens, my last thought would be that I had encountered aliens.
It took an abduction that left tangible evidence before I excepted what I was experiencing was alien abductions.
Even now I do not believe everything I hear or read regardless if they are people that I know to be Experiencers.
I question everything including my own experiences, I have to in order to keep sane when dealing with this insane phenomena.
That too may be a reason I was to be listed among the (Speaking Monkeys).

Silent Monkeys​

 

[Goggs Mackay]

A point to remember though T.O, is that just because some scientist with credentials 'X' says he has 'debunked' Sitchin's translations, we can't always rely on accredited mainstream scientists for impartial views on many of things that we may talk about in here.
For instance, I think contemporary archaeologists are very unwilling to take a fresh look at any evidence that would alter their established time-line of history (shpinx, pyramids etc).
The complete unwillingness of scientists to even discuss the subject of UFO's, let alone actually study the subject leads me to believe that when it comes to any of these esoteric topics, having scientific credentials that are peer-accepted is not neccessarily an indication that these subjects will actually be treated fairly by such scientists and academics.

I don't really have a view per-se regarding the voracity of Sitchin's work, simply because I do not know enough about it all to make any kind of intelligent comment. I do know though, that if Sitchin is way off the mark regarding the Annunaki etc, he is probably still a very intelligent and creative writer, in that he has created a whole mythology to fit in with ancient writings and art and architecture! - if it's all bollocks, then it is good-looking bollocks! lol

Regarding Michael S. Heiser, Ph.D himself, a quick search on him tells me he is amongst other things, a biblical and Hebrew scholar, specialising in the Israel region. I could not see if he is a practising Jew himself but he may well be looking at things from the point of view of someone having a particular faith. If that is the case, then I would expect him to interpret pretty much anything from the near east in these terms. I don't know enough about him to make a judgement but I am always uncomfortable (to say the least) with religious scholars. They are often willing to accept many things on 'faith' but dismiss anything else that is relying on shaky evidence!

Many of us on the paracast forums have little faith in mainstream science when it comes to UFOs. I think it was Stanton Friedman who pointed out that science should be unbiased enquiry into the unknown, but when it comes to UFOs, that is exactly the opposite of what happens. UFOs cannot exist, therefore they do not exist, therefore all sightings etc are of something else. Because UFOs (or maybe more exactly, aliens and flying saucers) cannot exist, any data to the contrary is wrong by definition and there is no point in studying the topic.
So what you have above in red is some of the reasons I do not always take the official scientific opinion regarding esoteric topics, especially UFOs!!

Posey - I first had contact with you in the forums regarding these pyramid shapes on google earth over Brooklyn, and I have to say in the last couple of weeks you have been a real eye-opener! I've looked at some stuff related to you elsewhere on the net. You have a lot to tell and thankfully are willing to do so. You do not let anything put you off which is great too.

Many of us on here have strong opinions on these topics, and some of us have had various experiences to varying degrees. From first reading a post of yours I have quickly found out there is more to you than meets the eye and that has led me to wonder now how many other people coming to this forum have equally interesting histories that they are maybe not sharing? There may be a wealth of untapped data/stories in the relatively few people who attend the forums (c/f the wider public I mean)?

Personally I have never seen a UFO and my only paranormal experience was of an apparition/ghost/shadow entity. The good thing about my experience is that there were two of us and blatantly no rational explanation for what we saw -it was also quite a close-up encounter too. Still bewilders me to this day!

Anyone reading this post who has had any paranormal experience but not as yet reported/shared it on this forum, I am now inviting you to share that we may discuss - no matter how bizarre or unlikely and lacking in hard proof, I'd love to hear about it!

 

[Posey Gilbert]

Trainedobserver wrote: Based on my reading I have a question:
You seem to put a lot of confidence in the work of Zecharia Sitchin. Michael S. Heiser, Ph.D., Hebrew and Semitic Studies, University of Wisconsin-Madison has done a scholarly dismantling of Sitchin and his theories based on Heiser's verifiable academic credentials and work as a professional linguist. Sitchin had a masters in economics and could provide no evidence of ever having taken a single course in the subjects he is most famous for writing about. Why place any confidence in his theories or promote them at all?

Good question. I have read some of Heiser also.

THE SIN OF THE GODS​

By: Posey Gilbert 1993 ​

I don't often suggest the reading of books dealing with aliens but in this case I feel it would be of a benefit to every one to read the works of Zecharia Sitchin called The Earth Chronicles, Eric VonDanicken's Chariots Of The Gods, Immanuel Velikovskys two books Worlds In Collision and Earth In Upheaval and last but just as important Wilhelm Reich's The Function Of the Orgasm in order to best understand this article and how we came to be at the point in our evolution, that we are now, that being, the primary causal agent in the vergeance of our sacred planet Mother Earth on biocide....
This is not written as an excuse for that which is called " human behavior" but as a possible insight into it so that we may better understand the whys behind the terrible things we do to ourselves and our world.
These theories are not put forth by any of these authors but by myself after reading these works even if you do not agree I feel it will still be a great help for people to know the possible origins of our species and of the self destructive habits that we all indulge in not really knowing why we do so, other than our ancestors did it or that some "GOD" says we should or shouldn't...
I remember as a student in high school when I was being taught about evolution and extinction of the many species on Earth I raised my hand and asked in all innocence,
"Teacher, where did we come from?"
An uncomfortable laugh swept through the room and she kind of blushed and said,
"Posey you are too old not to know the answer to that question."
"No" I said "I mean where did we come from Mankind as a species?
It's like we aren't from this planet."
"Why does everything else go along with nature and we are the only thing that goes against it?", I asked,
"How could we evolve so differently from everything else on the planet?
Why would gold become more important than food to monkeys?
How could we go from being a part of nature to living outside of nature?
Wouldn't we have extincted ourselves before we got to this point if we evolved this way naturally?
How could we evolve here, and be this way?"
My questions were answered with but a smile and simple shrug and we continued on.
It wasn't until years later when I read the a fore mentioned books of Eric VonDanicken and Immanuel Velikovskys that some of the pieces started to fall into place and connect but most of my questions were left again unanswered.....
My life experiences had taught me that there were things coming to our world but I had never once put any thought to the fact that they may have been coming here for a long time or that they could have been responsible for the stories of the ancient text and holy writings.
These two authors gave me another way to look at these text but it was Zacheria Sitchin's work that seemed to fill in all the gaps left open by those that came before him.
His translations of the Sumerian Text answer the most important question of all to me, and that is "Why?"
I will not rewrite his books here but will only paraphrase them to point out how we arrived at this critical point in the history of man kind and how there is not one problem we are faced with today that is not a direct result of the sin of these "Gods" that created the species mankind.
455,000 years ago we find these Gods of Nibiru coming to the Earth to try to extract gold from the waters of the Persian Gulf to be used to save their world for their atmosphere was no longer protecting them from the blasting rays of the sun they needed gold to shield themselves from it.
Much like or world will soon be once the hole in the ozone widens.
I think it is interesting they chose the oil rich lands of the middle east as their encampment.
If they were using fossil fuels to power their machines then there is little wonder they lost there ozone layer for it is the same reasons we are loosing ours from the chemicals we manufacture from these very same fuels.
Gold and gems were also needed for their devices for as according to these writings they seemed not to be super natural beings but a super technical race.
As we know today gold, rare metals, and precious crystals are what is needed in electrical devices.
300,00 years ago being unable to extract the gold fast enough from the oceans they then had to mine the Earth, but this was hard work and they were dyeing from coming in contact with the deadly cobalt blue stones.
So they asked Enki head of their genetic laboratories, who's symbol was that of the entwined snakes or as we know it today the double helix, if he could produce a creature that could do this heavy and dangerous work.
He said such a creature already exist it was the apeman.
It was he that said "Let us make man in our own image."
This creature which at that time ate grass and protected the forest creatures by springing traps, and filling in the holes that the gods had dug to capture animals.
The Sasquatch is still referred to by some native cultures as the guardian of the forest."
Could that be the same creature we were split off from?
This creature was said to be able to communicate with animals "telepathy?"
There are also reports of it being able to shape shift and may be a truly inter dimensional creature.
There are those I know that say if this is true that we were once Big Foot, they are glad we were altered for they would not want to look or smell like that horrible creature.
I answer them with this if you were born a wart hog would you not feel the same toward the human appearance?
We feel only this way for this is the only life we will have known.
Still, know that I realize and understand that if not for the sin of these gods I would not be here and I am more than happy to be alive.
I am not writing this to say we all should go about as Sasquatch for we are now as different from them as the ape is from man kind.
But what if by their genetic manipulation we were robbed of a greater and far more grand connection to and understanding of the universe solely because these Gods needed slaves?
In addition you find that you have been denied your inheritance of a level of awareness that we have yet to scratch the surface of and because we were blinded to it we can't fully access our totality or full potential?
Something that the creature they found here had but was stripped away for it was of little use to them when all they needed was the physical attributes of the beings they corrupted (core - ruptured) to make mankind...
Yes mankind was born in sin but it was the sin of these gods not of Mankind.
Just think of it by the fact altering us so we could no longer eat grass look at the carnage brought upon us and the world through out recorded history by famine and wars.
It is also not to be forgotten that after doing this alteration to this creature to make mankind they then once attempted to let it starve to death.
"Why alter a creatures ability to consume grass?" you may ask and wisely so.
Just think about it if you want to make a wild animal subservient to you, you need only to be the only one that it can get food from.
We were made to be able to eat only the foods they provided for us to keep us in check.
This is also done by mankind in our wars and colonization.
By destroying the natural food stocks in the area you make it so the peoples there must come to you and do as you say to eat thus to live.
The slaughter of the American buffalo is a great example of this as well as the doings of the American Fruit Company.
A very good friend of mine from the Philippines Island once told me of how the American Fruit Company came in and destroyed all the natural fruit trees to plant their trees and how he and his family starved for they could not afford to buy the fruit grown on the land were they use to get these fruits free.
So they had to work for slave wages to pick the fruit that they could not afford to buy for themselves.
See how deep into the doings of mankind the ways of these gods goes?
To this day we prepare our food in, serve our foods on, or eat our food off of items that still bare the shapes of UFOs...
Dishes, bowls, pots, woks, spoons (shems), (multi engined rockets at lift of) etc.
Before we eat we thank GOD (or these gods) for the foods we eat for with out them we would starve for we can't eat grass anymore.
More proof of this is the story behind every grain mankind uses is that it came from one God or the other.
The hats worn by those of the field tenders (farmers) and religious orders also reflect the shape of these craft.
The jagged points of crowns are but the shapes of fired engines of ascending rockets rising into the air as well as some of the craft now seen in Gulf Breeze.
The harmonic chants and incantations of the holy men in rocket and UFO shaped topped temples also mimic the sounds of their generators in their craft and temples.
These entities used a ostrich or emu egg shaped and sized device to speak to their King Anu on their home world.
Imagine mankind seeing them holding a somewhat smaller but same shaped portable device in both of their hands as they spoke to there King or to mankind the God of the gods.
To primitive man it would seem they were speaking into their hands would it not?
Any wonder we make the same shape when we pray with our hands?
Another from used in prayer is folded hands with forearms together down to the elbows making the shape of a nose cone " Shem " atop of a rocket.
Or hands clasped with out forearms touching a Shem atop a pyramid.
Or Just hands clasped a Shem or the egg shaped communication device.
Pyramids, ziggurats, Shem shapes, pinnacles, obelisk, and steeples atop all official and religious buildings.
Column and pillars or also present and represent royalty, the elite or authority these too are but the symbols of the gods ie. The tree of life and the tree of knowledge that they were said to possess even in the times long before the mention of them in the bible.
Stylites, pedestals, and totem poles atone humans or figurines atop of or engraved on them to being of the gods or God like why?
Could the shape denote that of rocket ships that at one time carried them back to the heavens.
How many prophets ascended to the heavens amidst clouds fire and thunder?
Just what was a thunderbird?
The meaning of these things were lost to us do to the daily task of living, wars, and natural catastrophes that the human creature have endured over the centuries but we have know come to the point that we now build these one time wonders of the Gods for ourselves.
It only makes sense when the same laws of physics that they had to learn and understand in order to
make their craft airworthy are still present today so little wonder our craft bare similarities.
Or it could just be that part of the mass Quantum mind that we share though we are blinded to is still active on the unconscious level in all of us.
After all we are de-evolving as we re- breed among ourselves could it be that their genetic tampering is now wearing thin and we are reclaiming that missing 90%?
The rise in spirituality we see these days could just be our reconnecting to our mass mind so now children are smarter and ideas spread faster as our Quantum mind now starts to stir and awaken from its sleep.
Hopefully it will not be too long before the 100th monkey, or its equivalent in the species called Mankind, is reached and our slumbering collective mind burst forth once more into total awareness,
but here too this is all dependent on if we can survive the sin of the Gods to the point that, this can happen.
That brings to mind a question I often wondered about as a child and before readings Sitchin's works, why was our species called Mankind and wondered why the male was created first?
Well from the text we find they wanted slaves for the heavy work needed to be done.
It would only make sense that they would create only males to do this work being the physically stronger of the two sexes.
Remember they did not create the apeman only genetically altered it to make the Adapa.
A sterile man like creature which were produced by genetically mixing their DNA with that of the apeman and then implanting the forming fetus into their females to complete the birth cycle.
The Adapas were just meant to work and die out not to reproduce.
This worked fine until those of these so called "Gods" that labored in the fields saw that the Gods of the under world (miners) no longer had to toil and wanted Adapas of there own.
They stole some and a war almost erupted amongst them.
Adapas were hard to produce and so it would take too long to make enough.
These Gods wanted the Adapa to be made able to reproduce but this was not wanted by the Over God and for good reason.
Think about it these creatures were made to dig up the planet and alter it for the Gods while they were here, but what when they left to return to their home world Nibiru?
It would kind of be like what happened in the story of the Sorcerers Apprentice.
While it was one broom carrying water and washing it was fine but as they multiplied the problems they caused grew as their numbers did.
If the Adapas were allowed to work until they died but unable to reproduce then once they died their destruction would end with them, but if they continued to reproduce and carrying out the destructive natures they had programed into them would not their destruction also increase exponentially?
Was this why the God in the bible did not want Adam and Eve to breed?
But as the demand for slaves spread among these gods the demand for the reproductive Adapa increased until Enki finally agreed and created the Adam.
This going against the will of the Over God and making a breeding capable Adapa may be why the bible says a serpent caused Adam and Eve to "sin" or go against the will of God.
Remember Enkis symbol was two entwined snakes.
Also can it be that the horned headdress worn by these Gods later became the horns of the devils and halos of angels?
A point I'd like to make here is about the first woman "Wombed man" Lilith.
Could it be she was too "mannish" for Adams liking and that was because they still wanted a strong slave?
When the Adam rejected her they then made the Eve a creature a little more attractive to the Adam one which he was more willing to breed with.
Would not the true Creator GOD get it right the first time?
We learn also from these writings that 100,000 years ago racism first came about from the fact that some of these Gods felt that because "The Nefilim as they were called in the bible" were marrying the daughters of men and creating offspring other Gods felt they were bringing down the Gods race by polluting the gene pool.
In other words they were creating a race of mongrels (Demi Gods).
This would in more recent history manifest as the belief of Aryan superiority over the Teutons that spawned the creation of the Nazi party.​

Read the full article here.
THE SIN OF THE GODS

 

[Posey Gilbert]

Ive said it before, but i find the whole ipad to someone in the middle ages is a poor comparison.

We have better diagnostic tools and knowledge than they did, we are far far better positioned to reverse engineer any technology be it ours or someone elses with the electron microscopes and other advanced tools at our disposal.

While its true someone in the middle ages would be unlikely to reverse engineer an Ipad, give that Ipad to a chinese company who had never seen it before, and they will whip out a cheap copy in a few months.

Another aspect of alleged technological "uplift", is that of mental manipulation.

Given the allegations of abduction, screen memorys, mind to mind communication......
Its possible that even those advances that look entirely human in origin, could be the result of mental manipulation/programming.

I'm open to the possibility we as a species are being "uplifted" both biologically and technologically, slowly and subtly.

Given that we know about the effects of the meeting between advanced and less advanced cultures, and that the result is the destruction of the less advanced in our historical past.
It makes sense to rather than land on the whitehouse lawn and trigger that scenario, to let the less advanced come to you, to meet you on equal terms.

This was the meme of 2001 ASO, The "alien" rather than come to us, tweaked us via the monoliths so we could go to it.

Once our scientific language is on par with theirs we can meet as equals, able to describe and understand what we encounter with proper labels instead of "chariots of the gods"

Excellent thought, but I feel they don't give a rats ass about our development.​

They have their own agendas, what that is I don't know.​

 

[Posey Gilbert]

A point to remember though T.O, is that just because some scientist with credentials 'X' says he has 'debunked' Sitchin's translations, we can't always rely on accredited mainstream scientists for impartial views on many of things that we may talk about in here.
For instance, I think contemporary archaeologists are very unwilling to take a fresh look at any evidence that would alter their established time-line of history (shpinx, pyramids etc).
The complete unwillingness of scientists to even discuss the subject of UFO's, let alone actually study the subject leads me to believe that when it comes to any of these esoteric topics, having scientific credentials that are peer-accepted is not neccessarily an indication that these subjects will actually be treated fairly by such scientists and academics.

I don't really have a view per-se regarding the voracity of Sitchin's work, simply because I do not know enough about it all to make any kind of intelligent comment. I do know though, that if Sitchin is way off the mark regarding the Annunaki etc, he is probably still a very intelligent and creative writer, in that he has created a whole mythology to fit in with ancient writings and art and architecture! - if it's all bollocks, then it is good-looking bollocks! lol

Regarding Michael S. Heiser, Ph.D himself, a quick search on him tells me he is amongst other things, a biblical and Hebrew scholar, specialising in the Israel region. I could not see if he is a practising Jew himself but he may well be looking at things from the point of view of someone having a particular faith. If that is the case, then I would expect him to interpret pretty much anything from the near east in these terms. I don't know enough about him to make a judgement but I am always uncomfortable (to say the least) with religious scholars. They are often willing to accept many things on 'faith' but dismiss anything else that is relying on shaky evidence!

Many of us on the paracast forums have little faith in mainstream science when it comes to UFOs. I think it was Stanton Friedman who pointed out that science should be unbiased enquiry into the unknown, but when it comes to UFOs, that is exactly the opposite of what happens. UFOs cannot exist, therefore they do not exist, therefore all sightings etc are of something else. Because UFOs (or maybe more exactly, aliens and flying saucers) cannot exist, any data to the contrary is wrong by definition and there is no point in studying the topic.
So what you have above in red is some of the reasons I do not always take the official scientific opinion regarding esoteric topics, especially UFOs!!

Posey - I first had contact with you in the forums regarding these pyramid shapes on google earth over Brooklyn, and I have to say in the last couple of weeks you have been a real eye-opener! I've looked at some stuff related to you elsewhere on the net. You have a lot to tell and thankfully are willing to do so. You do not let anything put you off which is great too.

Many of us on here have strong opinions on these topics, and some of us have had various experiences to varying degrees. From first reading a post of yours I have quickly found out there is more to you than meets the eye and that has led me to wonder now how many other people coming to this forum have equally interesting histories that they are maybe not sharing? There may be a wealth of untapped data/stories in the relatively few people who attend the forums (c/f the wider public I mean)?

Personally I have never seen a UFO and my only paranormal experience was of an apparition/ghost/shadow entity. The good thing about my experience is that there were two of us and blatantly no rational explanation for what we saw -it was also quite a close-up encounter too. Still bewilders me to this day!

Anyone reading this post who has had any paranormal experience but not as yet reported/shared it on this forum, I am now inviting you to share that we may discuss - no matter how bizarre or unlikely and lacking in hard proof, I'd love to hear about it!

Bingo Godsmackay!​

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[Goggs Mackay]

Haha Posey, I've been called many things but Godsmackay is not one of them! Got a great ring to it though Posey, I'm liking the God part for sure!

My name is actually Gordon Mackay (pronounced Mac-eye) and where I am from, the traditional nickname for a 'Gordon' is 'goggs'. Hence I am 'Goggs-Mackay'!!

 

[Posey Gilbert]

There is an excellent presentation on youTube that Heiser gives that explains in detail why Sitchin wasn't what he claimed to be, namely an expert in Sumerian languages. The modern UFO mythos is sprinkled with bits and pieces of what has been proven to be Sitchin fiction. The fact that it gets picked up and reused and folded into so much despite there being absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe anything Sitchin wrote is problematic when you are talking UFO myth vs UFO reality.

I've heard from folks who met him that Sitchin was a nice enough guy. Regrettably that has never proven to count for much in these sorts of cases.

I would suggest that you fully read Sitchins' works and then decide.​

Fools And Babies​

By: Posey Gilbert​

A few months ago I had the opportunity to go to a symposium at the Wanwright Manor in Long Island where Mr. Sitchin was answering questions put to him by the audience, when my turn came I asked him, how he thought the world would react to the returning of these gods and explained to him what I had heard at the UN about the Scorched Earth Treaty and asked if he knew of it.
My question seemed to take him by surprise and he silently squinted at me for a matter of noticeable seconds his lips moving ever so slightly as ones sometimes does when they mumble unconsciously to themselves as if he was trying to ask him self where he had seen me before or was asking himself how I had come to know of this treaty, then he just looked up and said " Next question."
After going about the room and answering the other questions he announce " Well I think I have answered every bodies question ." and prepared to end the lecture I immediately raised my hand and said "You did not answer mine."
" I think I did. " he argued but I insisted he did not and he again asked me what was my question which I then repeated and he again silenced and squinted at me once more with his lips mouthing the unintelligible and finally he just said, " I don't know about that. "
When the session was over I was swamped by those from the audience that had heard my question and wanted to know more.
It was as I was speaking to them that Sitchin's driver and attendant walked over to me and said, " He knows about that but he was "told" not to speak about it for it could cause panic if people knew."
He then turned and followed Sitchin out of the room, and a few moments later a tall heavy set fellow built much like myself walked up to me and said " Sitchin knows about the treaty but he was "ordered" not to speak about it, if you want to know more about it step outside with me and I will tell you."
I thought about the surrounding woods and the lake not to far from the Manor where the symposium had been given and said that I would speak to him but first I had to answer the peoples questions that were there at the moment.
I think I would have went with him outside but as my Mother said " God protects fools and babies " and so I was never allowed to go outside by the group of people that had swamped me after Sitchin's lecture.
While I was still talking to the group Sitchin returned to gather his belongings and leave and once again stopped to stare at me as I stood talking to the little group that remained asking questions, then he left.
True Sitchin may have just been trying to remember where he knew me from, for we had met before I knew who he was, that had been on the Jackie Mason Show some years before, I was confronting the well known skeptic and debunker Philip Class who at that time was also a guess.
I never got a chance to speak to the tall man again who had asked me to step outside, nor did I see him again, or had I noticed him before the lecture, as I know I would have for tall people take note of each other for we stand above the crowds so to say.
I also can not shake the feeling that Mr. Sitchin wanted to say something to me but because of the crowds that pursued him those about me and the presence of the tall man he felt he could not, or was it just an example of God protecting fools and babies.

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[Posey Gilbert]

My personal favourite hypothesis is that the "aliens" are transbiological in nature, that acheiving "singularity" is a "constant" feature of technological advancement, some of the indicators that this may be the case are the allegations that they can speak mind to mind, are mentally linked with their machines etc etc.

We on the other hand are pursuing the very same path

Activist Post: Merging Man and Machine: Singularity vs. Humanity



Now the similarity between the alleged descriptions of how aliens function, and where humans are going, may just be a co-incidence.
A random chance, or....... an organised directed path

Because if they are transbiological, if they have crossed the singularity, then the only way for us to meet on equal ground, is to do the same

Excellent answer.
You are right on point some of them are exactly as you have said.
For the most part you are right they are telephathic, I myself call them Quantumantian .
I call Paranormal and Supernatural Phenomena, Quantum Phenomena.
I have been taught to think they are not separate phenomena but all just a part of the same larger phenomena we call Universe.
Quantum Physics is finally catching up with what I was (Given) taught by a woman I met during my first conscious daytime abduction back in 1957 when I was six years old, and my brother Ralph was taught when he was five years old.
These are the things I discussed with Michio Kaku of C.U.N.Y.
I never told him where I received my information for I felt it would cause problems.

If you want to know more please visit and read these articles in order.​

They are all much too long to be posted here.​

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Sal's Article​

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The Lady On The Roof​

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The Hall Ladies​

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The Long Dream​

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QUANTUMANTICS THE LANGUAGE OF THE E.T....​

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Quantumantics 2​

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Strange Days Indeed​

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About The Nonts​

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The Reading Room.​

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[Posey Gilbert]

Haha Posey, I've been called many things but Godsmackay is not one of them! Got a great ring to it though Posey, I'm liking the God part for sure!

My name is actually Gordon Mackay (pronounced Mac-eye) and where I am from, the traditional nickname for a 'Gordon' is 'goggs'. Hence I am 'Goggs-Mackay'!!

Damn my Dyslexia!!​

 

[Posey Gilbert]

Posey,

When I said, This is science not magic, it was a figure of speech Posey. It was meant to convey that there is a very real and verifiable history behind human technological development and that technology does not just suddenly appear without a traceable line of development.

Just to be clear, I do recognize that UFOs are real and I understand that you have had traumatic visitor encounters.

However, there is no evidence whatsoever that any human technology in use today came from anywhere other than human beings. There simply isn't and I challenge anyone who thinks otherwise to provide evidence to the contrary.

Knowing how to do something is useless unless the infrastructure exists to allow you to exploit that knowledge. So no, a caveman could not construct an iPad, an airplane, or any modern machine even if he had a complete set of instructions to do so. He would have to construct a complete industrial society before he could even begin. Mines, farms, refineries, and so forth would have to be created. The body of knowledge required is simply gargantuan. He would essentially have to go through the progress and development of civilization before he reached the point where the construction of the machine in question could be possible.

Acquiring knowledge is one thing, being able to use it is another. We could for example discover a crashed saucer complete with manuals and training programs in the hold. We could conceivably translate these documents and understand them. But here is the kicker Posey. We would have to largely replicate the process of discovery and development of the principles and techniques of thousands if not millions of things not directly related to the saucer but which are instrumental in its development before we could even begin to reproduce the cooking device in the galley much less the drive, the computer, or the materials they are constructed from!

It is for these reasons that I think the odds are somewhere between slim and none that any human technology has its roots in recovered non-human technology and that back-engineering truly alien technology is highly unlikely.

Sorry for my misunderstanding.
Before he died the late Philip J. Klass UFO Debunker and I often had words via email.
He had a way of making snide or nasty remarks which although funny at times were insulting.
Guess I got into the habit of expecting the same from all skeptics.
Most of the things we use on a daily bases are made on construction lines by people and machines that only know or are programed to do one thing.
They did not design, could not fix, nor fully explain the operation of the things they build.
As for all the things needed for the caveman in my example to build a computer I did say if they had the knowledge of course in my mind all that was covered with the word knowledge.
As advanced as we think we are we don't yet have the knowledge to build the great pyramid.
We don't know who invented most of the tools we take for granted like stairs for example.
When we look back in time as to where we learnt most of the things we know of and use like Mines, farms, refineries, and so forth those whom were there say "The Gods " taught them to do this, not humans, but "The Gods ".
In our pride, our ignorance, and yes our hubris mankind has taken credit for things we cannot prove we created.
It is for these reasons that I think the odds that all of what we tout as human technology is truly based on and derived not from human but alien technology is highly most likely.
There is no real and verifiable history behind human technological development that proves that human technology just suddenly popped out of human heads without a traceable line of development.
All the written records from those times says or show that humans did not create these things, and I challenge anyone who thinks otherwise to provide evidence to the contrary.

Oops and before I forget,
If it is true that we have captured live aliens I am sure the military could think of ways to make them talk considering the things they did and do to humans.

 

[mike]

The question was whether there is any indication that any of that was done in some altruistic sense toward the species being altered.

Great Ape Trust is a scientific research facility in Des Moines, Iowa, dedicated to understanding the origins and future of culture, language, tools and intelligence, and to the preservation of endangered great apes in their natural habitats. Announced in 2002 and receiving its first ape residents in 2004, Great Ape Trust is home to a colony of seven bonobos involved in noninvasive interdisciplinary studies of their cognitive and communicative capabilities, and to two orangutans. In addition to the communicative and cognitive work with bonobos and orangutans, Great Ape Trust has also supported and directed since late 2007, a chimpanzee conservation and forest restoration initiative in Rwanda.

I think that if we can learn to recognise and utilise the language of these client species, then that will in of itself be to their benefit.
It wont be long now before we start altering their genes to help facilitiate this process either.
Being able to communicate with a species, changes their status.
Kanzi and his compatriots at the GAT, are in a way ambassadors for their species, communicating with them reinforces the importance of preserving them as a species and the habitat they rely on

 

[Posey Gilbert]

Posey,

As someone with a life-long association with these beings, what do you think they want from you? If these are representative of some advanced civilization what is their purpose in terrorizing you do you think?

I personally would welcome even the most terrifying of experiences at this point as validation that my interest in this subject hasn't just been another guilty pleasure. I have contacted experiencers over the years asking the hows and wherefores of instigating an experience to no avail. I would love to get the chance to personally evaluate the experience myself. Foolish, dangerous, risky? Maybe but so far nothing has materialized to be concerned about.

Talking to some of these beings, when you are able to, is like talking to a giant cockroach.
They either are ignoring you or they just don't understand you and what you are trying to do.
The only thing you know for sure is what ever they are there to do, they are going to do, even the human looking ones.
And that my friend is the scary thing.
It's like you are the white mouse, and they are the scientist.
Are they taking you to feed you, or are they taking you to feed the snake?

 

[Posey Gilbert]

Ive said it before, but i find the whole ipad to someone in the middle ages is a poor comparison.

We have better diagnostic tools and knowledge than they did, we are far far better positioned to reverse engineer any technology be it ours or someone elses with the electron microscopes and other advanced tools at our disposal.

While its true someone in the middle ages would be unlikely to reverse engineer an Ipad, give that Ipad to a chinese company who had never seen it before, and they will whip out a cheap copy in a few months.

Another aspect of alleged technological "uplift", is that of mental manipulation.

Given the allegations of abduction, screen memorys, mind to mind communication......
Its possible that even those advances that look entirely human in origin, could be the result of mental manipulation/programming.

I'm open to the possibility we as a species are being "uplifted" both biologically and technologically, slowly and subtly.

Given that we know about the effects of the meeting between advanced and less advanced cultures, and that the result is the destruction of the less advanced in our historical past.
It makes sense to rather than land on the whitehouse lawn and trigger that scenario, to let the less advanced come to you, to meet you on equal terms.

This was the meme of 2001 ASO, The "alien" rather than come to us, tweaked us via the monoliths so we could go to it.

Once our scientific language is on par with theirs we can meet as equals, able to describe and understand what we encounter with proper labels instead of "chariots of the gods"

Well said and reasoned.​

Give this man a star!​

 

[mike]

Excellent thought, but I feel they don't give a rats ass about our development.​

They have their own agendas, what that is I don't know.​

It might seem that way , but that could be a result of their post biological reality.
An infant or even a pet might get that very same impression when it gets its vaccination shots.

The truth is the Doctor or vet giving the shots, is able to see the larger picture and thus the pain of the shot, is outweiged by the benefits of the treatment.

If they are transbiological, then biological discomfort on our part might be seen as a trivial matter in the larger scheme of things.

Consider this scenario, after 70 or 80 years of biological existance, you are uploaded to the next level of post biological reality where you enjoy the benefits of this new existance for thousands of years, the 70 or 80 years of native biological suffering, become no more significant than the painful pangs of birth we all had to endure to be here now.

The Doctor delivering the baby, doesnt really lose any sleep over the pains of birth that baby suffers, its an accepted, unavoidable part of the larger picture. and its a small part of a much larger reality.
Perhaps from their transbiological perspective, our biological discomfort is as accepted and unavoidable as the birth pangs of biological existance.

For the puppy that gets a thermometer shoved up its rectum, and a needle jabbed in his backside, it would be logical for it to think the being doing this doesnt give a rats ass about him, and has its own agenda. But from the vets perspective its a different story entirely

 

[Posey Gilbert]

My personal favourite hypothesis is that the "aliens" are transbiological in nature, that acheiving "singularity" is a "constant" feature of technological advancement, some of the indicators that this may be the case are the allegations that they can speak mind to mind, are mentally linked with their machines etc etc.

We on the other hand are pursuing the very same path

Activist Post: Merging Man and Machine: Singularity vs. Humanity



Now the similarity between the alleged descriptions of how aliens function, and where humans are going, may just be a co-incidence.
A random chance, or....... an organised directed path

Because if they are transbiological, if they have crossed the singularity, then the only way for us to meet on equal ground, is to do the same

"Very often the coincidence of a coincidence is too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence."
Posey Gilbert