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The Myth Of The Myth Of Flying Saucers.

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What if they told the truth at the start of the Roswell incident?

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mike said:
I think that if we can learn to recognise and utilise the language of these client species, then that will in of itself be to their benefit.
It wont be long now before we start altering their genes to help facilitiate this process either.
Being able to communicate with a species, changes their status.
Kanzi and his compatriots at the GAT, are in a way ambassadors for their species, communicating with them reinforces the importance of preserving them as a species and the habitat they rely on
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I myself think that the language of all species is telepathy.
Even man before it was messed with by the Annunaki and others.
I think that was the language they took from mankind in Babylon.
Anyone with a dog or cat learns that right off the bat.
With but a glance they can tell you volumes.
 
Posey Gilbert said:
You make it sound so gentle. caring, and comfortable.
That may be because you may never have went through this, it's more like getting your nuts slammed in a door, and the pain is not only amplified, but sustained, as they run an electric current through them as they apply read hot pliers to your nipples and twist and pull them, while shoving a over sized broken glass studded base ball bat up your rectum all the while they stair emotionlessly at you as if puzzled by your reaction.
And remember your in their time flow, which though it is only for a couple of minutes here, it can be like hours over there.
And all the while you hear your mother , father, brothers. sisters. or children screaming for their lives begging you or an uncaring God to help them.
People think that these beings give you screen memories or hypnotize you to forget what happened.
I say it's your own psyche that blots out or clothes your memories with other less frightening
images.
All this talk about smiling kind hearted loving alien and visits to an interdimensional vets office is coming from A Holes like Steven Greer and Deloris Cannon who've never had a real encounter.
And please understand they all are not like that, there are those that are if not caring they try to make it easier on you, but remember there are also those that will gut you just like is done to cattle and guess what it is always done while you are alive and awake.
read Jacques Vallee if you do not believe me.

The problem is because some of them all look alike one never really knows,​
"Who is it that comes?"​
The truth is no one knows the truth.​
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Ok, Ive been in serious car accidents, gone through the windscreen and bounced off a power pole to stop sitting on the bonnet covered in blood and glass, been in others that only took 10 or so seconds, but time slowed so it seemed like minutes.
Had a mountaineering accident where my life literally flashed before my eyes, Its not just a figure of speech, it really happens, every memory flashing in frames, like a demented cardex system of memories flickering at high speed one moment after the next.
Ive been in situations where i was certain i was going to die..................

So its in that context that i say my own alleged abduction "experience" (i say alleged because i cant prove it was real, though it seemed so to me) was the worst fear ive ever had.
I was stripped of my sentience and left an animal in a trap mentally, the fear robbed me of all reason.
But despite our fear you and i are still alive.

What you see in the video below, happens everyday, it happened yesterday and it will happen tomorrow.
Dont watch it unless you have a strong stomach

Video: Animal cruelty closes Sydney abattoir

Why should what was done to us, be any more of an outrage than whats being done everyday by us.

Its all relative

We are not entitled to a higher standard of treatment, than that we ourselves bring to the table.

Lets suppose for a moment "they" dont eat meat, in that context nothing they inflict on us, compares to what we inflict on other species, from their pov theirs is the lessor crime.

Watch the meat section of any supermarket, the customers stacking their trolleys dont care, they display the same relative lack of empathy that you report "they" do.
Its nothing personal, its just the way things are.



As for Butch Witkowski

Butch Witkowski just wont go away. | The Paracast Community Forums

I disagree about the screen memorys, if they were self generated i would have covered my own real life trauma with them, A recent article about DARPA brain reading technologys suggested memorys can be read, erased, and added by this tech.

Learning skills like characters on The Matrix set to become a reality, say scientists | Mail Online

We are able to do this ourselves, so it strikes me they can too
 
As you can see, the fantasies of Butch Witkowski and Zecharia Sitchin do nothing but contribute to the UFO MYTH! Taking those fantasies into your world-view or your understanding of UFOs or related phenomena is a terrible mistake. It is false information. Lies.
 
The very valid idea that why can humans be disgusted with ET abducting and experimenting on them, when for a long time, humans have used animals for any and all purposes they can, regardless of the consequences to the animal. Without a doubt millions of times over, animals have been forcibly snatched and experimented on.
Regardless of where you stand exactly on the vivisection argument, there is absolutely no defending cosmetic testing on animals at all. That is purely for human vanity and an aspect that sickens me. I am still undecided regarding certain medical experimentation. But under no circumstances do I see justification for allowing animals to suffer pain. If it cannot be done pain-free, then it should not be done. Cancer cures and all.
And no-one can say 'but wait until cancer affects those you love'. Too late, already has, best friend and mother. Close as you can get. Both those people are against testing. But I digress.

I wonder, If we were to create a super-intelligent, dextrous robot (need not be A.I but can be) - and tasked that robot with finding cures for diseases that affect all mammals. Would that robot have any problems with animal testing? Probably not, unless it was already in it's programming make-up. Perhaps even if we told the robot that 50% of humans think it should not be done, it might well ignore that and continue, having placed the request for data above the feelings of half the population. The robot's decision could further be influenced if we were to tell it that there was a high risk of animal-rights people attacking the research establishment, with the inherent possiblity of losing all data acquired thus far permanently.

Like humans, the robot would need to weigh up many factor in coming to a decision. How similar to human morality would this process be? I mean, there are certain things in life that we instinctively feel, and need no thinking time to declare 'that's wrong'. Other things, we have to actually weigh the pros and cons before coming to a decision, often, in the case of medical ethics, a decision that can have far-reaching life or death consequences.

I posted earlier a few days back that I had just re-watched the TV series 'Taken' and had enjoyed it better second time, despite some grating annoyances.
Anyway, morality of ET is covered in the plot and at one point the ET defends the action of abductions, not be claiming that to them, they had done nothing wrong, but stating that a capacity for compassion was not in their make-up, a capacity for un-neccessary cruelty it must be said was also lacking. They just did not see things in those terms.

If alien abductions are real, and say that people are actually taken aboard craft, then I would imagine that once any experiments are concluded on an individual, it would be easier for ET to throw a human overboard, as it were, rather than take the time to return them to the site of the abduction, or thereabouts. It seems as if they make a conscious decision to return subjects to their lives, mentally damaged maybe but on the whole, intact.
Perhaps ET cannot understand psychological trauma and that is a reason why they see no reason to discontinue.
When the Nazis were conducting horrid medical experiments, I do not think they took the care to return subjects to some semblance of normality afterward. Indeed, if the subject were capable of returning to life, that was no doubt seen as just an opportunity to use them for further experiments. The others, well, it did not end well for them sadly.

So what can we make of this? That ET can have more compassion than humans? Granted, bad humans, but still - I've no doubt some experiments go easier if you do not care what happens to your subject. But the abductions I have heard about usually end in the human alive at the end. If the human is not to be used for follow-up experiments, then surely it takes an act of small compassion for ET not to just dump or kill them?

I am not for one minute justifying abductions. It is kidnap without the ransom, which is quite rightly a heinous crime with severe punishment in law. But a kidnapper who chooses to let a victim live is rightly treated a little more leniently than one who kills or allows death due to neglect.


Posey, quick one for you (and all). This thing about one's life flashing before your eyes in it's entirety when you think you are about to die. It happened to me once, but was cut short.
I have alwasy thought that the reason this flash of memory happens is that when your brain is confronted with inarguable evidence that it is about to cease funtioning permanently, in desperation it races through every piece of memory it can get access to in a short time, in an effort to try to find, however remote the possibility, something that will give it a way to live.

It is an act of utter desperation, of last resort, of low probability of success, but it's all the brain has left - one last look at the library of the mind, just in case there is a way out stored in distant memory.
I can picture my own mind, if I were hurtling to the ground with a reserve parachute that failed to open. I may have 90 seconds of absolute certainty that soon I will die. The brain would lose nothing by trying anything to find a way out. It has everything to gain and nothing to lose -hey, it may even be a plus, to go out having looked at some old memories, rather than be consumed by abject terror?
 
mike said:
Ok, Ive been in serious car accidents, gone through the windscreen and bounced off a power pole to stop sitting on the bonnet covered in blood and glass, been in others that only took 10 or so seconds, but time slowed so it seemed like minutes.
Had a mountaineering accident where my life literally flashed before my eyes, Its not just a figure of speech, it really happens, every memory flashing in frames, like a demented cardex system of memories flickering at high speed one moment after the next.
Ive been in situations where i was certain i was going to die..................

So its in that context that i say my own alleged abduction "experience" (i say alleged because i cant prove it was real, though it seemed so to me) was the worst fear ive ever had.
I was stripped of my sentience and left an animal in a trap mentally, the fear robbed me of all reason.
But despite our fear you and i are still alive.

What you see in the video below, happens everyday, it happened yesterday and it will happen tomorrow.
Dont watch it unless you have a strong stomach

Video: Animal cruelty closes Sydney abattoir

Why should what was done to us, be any more of an outrage than whats being done everyday by us.

Its all relative

We are not entitled to a higher standard of treatment, than that we ourselves bring to the table.

Lets suppose for a moment "they" dont eat meat, in that context nothing they inflict on us, compares to what we inflict on other species, from their pov theirs is the lessor crime.

Watch the meat section of any supermarket, the customers stacking their trolleys dont care, they display the same relative lack of empathy that you report "they" do.
Its nothing personal, its just the way things are.



As for Butch Witkowski

Butch Witkowski just wont go away. | The Paracast Community Forums

I disagree about the screen memorys, if they were self generated i would have covered my own real life trauma with them, A recent article about DARPA brain reading technologys suggested memorys can be read, erased, and added by this tech.

Learning skills like characters on The Matrix set to become a reality, say scientists | Mail Online

We are able to do this ourselves, so it strikes me they can too
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Mike, you stated your case with a lawyer's expertise, man if I ever go to jail I'm calling you, for my defense
Still you sound uncertain as to if you aren't sure of your abduction which is not said to belittle or to throw any doubt on your experiences.
There is nothing you said about mankind's treatment of animals that I disagree with, still just because we can't hear the scream of fruits and vegetables when they are up rooted, cut up, cooked, or eaten raw and alive.
As my Muse told me. ​
Excerpted from The Nonts​

"Life energy feeds off life energy.
You are of the Earth, yet you eat of the Earth, and then in the end, the Earth will eat you...
Just as the Creator, must consume Creation, that Alpha will become Omega.
The serpent/Soul must consume its tail, in order that the circle be completed."


Sad but true life needs to take life to live, so unless they are some kind of new being they must know that we have to eat to live and when we die we will in turn be eaten.
I won't watch the animal video, for the same reason I didn't watch Roots, I am not able to get the images out my head as you must have noticed by now for some reason something's I never forget because they run like a loop tape in my mind, but thanks anyway.
Guess that, that may be the reason why they take me so much to download me.
Hell as I said elsewhere in these forums it took me awhile to understand what was happening to me, forty years to be exact.
My mother in her country wisdom taught us if you wake up in bed it was a dream, and if it was a dream there is nothing for you to be scared of, which in the end saved my sanity.
She explained to me that I had very vivid dreams and that is why they seemed so real.
When I told her about my daytime encounters she said I had a very powerful imagination, which could play tricks on me, or it was heat stroke which and that can make you hallucinate which was just a waking dream.
Her calming demeanor and way of explaining things worked fine for me as I grew older and out of childhood.
My "Dreams" never stopped in fact they got worse but I learned how to deal with them to the point that I didn't wake everyone in the house with my screaming for my life.
And I figured as long as I staid out of the summer sun I would not get heat stroke and hallucinate, and when in high school I walked into the wrong classroom and found it full of solid silhouettes I just backed out and contributed it to my imagination.
Although I learned to deal with the weirdness it left me traumatized and to this day I sleep with the lights on and never leave my curtains open or my shades raised.
By my bed I keep a base ball bat, a Rambo Knife, and set of metal nunchucks, and a thick heavy chain with a large lock on it.
When I moved out here in 1981, I had five dogs they kept the burglars away but not "The Guys."
In 1988 my brother Ralph died I started seeing UFOs in the skies above my area.
Then my brother Jaen got married and moved out, that was when things went crazy.
That October Current Affair showed a video tape made by a woman in North Carolina.
She actually filmed what I called a real and living Window Peeper.
The very things that my mother taught me was a dream.
The realization of this truth caused me to develop a three year case of Bells Palsy.
In 1989 Mom finally told me that she and her siblings, her parents, and my fathers family had encounters with these entities too.
You say you don't remember your one case of abduction, lucky you.
I have never forgotten any of mine.
 
Let me play the devils advocate on this for just a minute. However, let me state from the outset that I am against vivisection. I am against cruelty to animals or any other creature. But, just to take a purely mechanistic look at it.

If indeed we are higher on the evolutionary scale then we are the most fit to continue. Therefore we have no reason to consider an inferior life form if we decide to butcher it, eat it, kill it, dispose of it. Likewise if we wander into the jungle and the lion eats us before we shoot it. Just natural selection and survival of the fittest. I don't "mourn" when I step on a cockroach. So, why should I mourn anything at all if it's simply a souless march to oblivion that all creatures great and small including us are heading toward. Really, why should or would I care at all?

Now, before I get jumped on I am again reminding you that I don't agree with what I wrote above. It's just that I question everything (which is why I call myself a true skeptic) That includes questioning my deepest beliefs, opinions and fears. I do consider that there may not be life after death. I do consider that I might have to "answer" a higher power for the way I have lived my life. I do consider that we may be nothing but meatbots. We may be spirits using earth suits. I have my beliefs and I do question everything. That may be why I tend to get into trouble when I talk to evangelical Christians and committed Atheist alike. But, I digress and don't want to hijack this thread so I will point back to the second paragraph. I apoligise for getting off subject. :cool:
 
Posey Gilbert said:
Mike, you stated your case with a lawyer's expertise, man if I ever go to jail I'm calling you, for my defense
Still you sound uncertain as to if you aren't sure of your abduction which is not said to belittle or to throw any doubt on your experiences.
There is nothing you said about mankind's treatment of animals that I disagree with, still just because we can't hear the scream of fruits and vegetables when they are up rooted, cut up, cooked, or eaten raw and alive.
As my Muse told me. ​
Excerpted from The Nonts​

"Life energy feeds off life energy.
You are of the Earth, yet you eat of the Earth, and then in the end, the Earth will eat you...
Just as the Creator, must consume Creation, that Alpha will become Omega.
The serpent/Soul must consume its tail, in order that the circle be completed."


Sad but true life needs to take life to live, so unless they are some kind of new being they must know that we have to eat to live and when we die we will in turn be eaten.
I won't watch the animal video, for the same reason I didn't watch Roots, I am not able to get the images out my head as you must have noticed by now for some reason something's I never forget because they run like a loop tape in my mind, but thanks anyway.
Guess that, that may be the reason why they take me so much to download me.
Hell as I said elsewhere in these forums it took me awhile to understand what was happening to me, forty years to be exact.
My mother in her country wisdom taught us if you wake up in bed it was a dream, and if it was a dream there is nothing for you to be scared of, which in the end saved my sanity.
She explained to me that I had very vivid dreams and that is why they seemed so real.
When I told her about my daytime encounters she said I had a very powerful imagination, which could play tricks on me, or it was heat stroke which and that can make you hallucinate which was just a waking dream.
Her calming demeanor and way of explaining things worked fine for me as I grew older and out of childhood.
My "Dreams" never stopped in fact they got worse but I learned how to deal with them to the point that I didn't wake everyone in the house with my screaming for my life.
And I figured as long as I staid out of the summer sun I would not get heat stroke and hallucinate, and when in high school I walked into the wrong classroom and found it full of solid silhouettes I just backed out and contributed it to my imagination.
Although I learned to deal with the weirdness it left me traumatized and to this day I sleep with the lights on and never leave my curtains open or my shades raised.
By my bed I keep a base ball bat, a Rambo Knife, and set of metal nunchucks, and a thick heavy chain with a large lock on it.
When I moved out here in 1981, I had five dogs they kept the burglars away but not "The Guys."
In 1988 my brother Ralph died I started seeing UFOs in the skies above my area.
Then my brother Jaen got married and moved out, that was when things went crazy.
That October Current Affair showed a video tape made by a woman in North Carolina.
She actually filmed what I called a real and living Window Peeper.
The very things that my mother taught me was a dream.
The realization of this truth caused me to develop a three year case of Bells Palsy.
In 1989 Mom finally told me that she and her siblings, her parents, and my fathers family had encounters with these entities too.
You say you don't remember your one case of abduction, lucky you.
I have never forgotten any of mine.
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LOL i'm what we call a bush lawyer down under, and have actually won a few cases in court.

I do remember with uncanny clarity my own "experience" up until the moment i passed out in abject terror. The local mufon people have offered me hypnotic regression, but i declined.

I have 5 dogs as well, rottweilers. I remember thinking as i lay paralysed listening to something moving things around in the lounge at the end of the hallway, how did a burglar get upstairs.

Of course when it came down the hall and into the bedroom, i saw for myself it wasnt a burglar.

The dogs are no protection. on one occasion i found all of their night coats removed, but still done up. Its not possible to remove these garments without untying them first, but thats exactly what happened, all of them on the floor the fastening straps still tied in the bows i tied when i put them to bed. Occasionally one of them loses a coat during the night, but the fastenings are untied. on this occasion all were removed, but all were still tied with the bows i had tied the evening before. Its physically impossible to remove them in this state.
Its statistically unprecedented to have them all come off on a single night too.
 
Im often reminded of an uncomfortable truth Whitley Streiber once wrote about

He asked his visitors "what gives you the right to do this to me"

And the answer was

"The ability to do it"

Its as shocking in its simplicity as it is in its reality.

Mental constructs like morals or right and wrong are irrelevant

What gives the lion the right to take the lamb
What gives the big fish the right to take the smaller fish
What gives us the right to do the terrible things we do to each other, other species and the earth as a whole..........

There is a simplistic bottom denominator at play at all levels, and their answer, as uncomfortable as it may be to accept is a simple universal truth.
If you are looking for a first law of the universe, this could well be it.

Within this simple question and answer, is a profound if uncomfortable truth, and it lies at the core of reality
 
Mike said: Ive often wondered if the life flashing before the eyes routine is a sort of flash backup, an offsite backup of the conciousness just prior to death

Not saying I agree or disagree. But, a unique perspective. At least to me since, I've never thought of it that way before. :cool:
 
If anything is visiting us and experimenting on us, mucking with us in any way like we screw with the animal kingdom: "We need to kill them." We need to kill them completely and utterly. We need to track them back to their point of origin and exterminate the whole lot of them. Any other option is totally unacceptable. There can be no treaty, there can be no cooperation, there can only be enmity on the highest order if something like that goes on. If you don't understand that it may already be too late for you. You might as well roll over and present your belly to the alien/god/spirit-being and let them do what they will with you. The species cannot allow this sort of thing, if true as presented, to go on. Sympathizers with the enemy (in this case a true species enemy) always get their reward that historically seldom seems to work out in the long run.

This is another reason that I think it is not going on as presented but rather something else is happening. If things were going on as the UFO Myth presents it, then it could not be concealed and the military would be getting unlimited funding to persecute them. That isn't happening though.

And Posey and you others please understand, which I think you do if you've read much I've posted here in this forum, I do believe you are experiencing something. I just question the interpretation of it. I have no good explanation other than it does not seem to be what it at first appears to be and as I think this thread has highlighted well MYTH does indeed play a great deal in it.
 
tyder001 said:
Mike said: Ive often wondered if the life flashing before the eyes routine is a sort of flash backup, an offsite backup of the conciousness just prior to death

Not saying I agree or disagree. But, a unique perspective. At least to me since, I've never thought of it that way before. :cool:
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A unique pespective is all we each have to offer my friend
Buts its the greatest gift we give
 
trainedobserver said:
If anything is visiting us and experimenting on us, mucking with us in any way like we screw with the animal kingdom: "We need to kill them." We need to kill them completely and utterly. We need to track them back to their point of origin and exterminate the whole lot of them. Any other option is totally unacceptable. There can be no treaty, there can be no cooperation, there can only be enmity on the highest order if something like that goes on. If you don't understand that it may already be too late for you. You might as well roll over and present your belly to the alien/god/spirit-being and let them do what they will with you. The species cannot allow this sort of thing, if true as presented, to go on. Sympathizers with the enemy (in this case a true species enemy) always get their reward that historically seldom seems to work out in the long run.

This is another reason that I think it is not going on as presented but rather something else is happening. If things were going on as the UFO Myth presents it, then it could not be concealed and the military would be getting unlimited funding to persecute them. That isn't happening though.
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And if the reality is a thousand different species are doing this ?

In the big picture whats allegedly being done to us, is no worse than that we do to others.

The mantra do unto others as you would have them do unto you, only seems to work within the assumption "we" are the top of the ladder.

One has to ask
"Do unto others as you would have them do to you". Luke 6:31

Was luke a vegetarian ?

Do the chickens and the lambs have the right to "kill Us." kill Us completely and utterly. track us back to our point of origin and exterminate the whole lot of us. (even the vegetarians )

In truth their right to do this is irrelevant, their ability to do so, is what we would be most worried about

Again right and wrong are mental constructs, they have no real world bearing on reality.
Embracing this is the first step onto a clear view of the universe
 
trainedobserver said:
Well, we are fucked.



That is just so lame, I don't have words. Roll over. Oh, wait, you already have.
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Mike,

I apologize for that, I really do. I find the whole idea of submission to another species so untenable I can't really express the feeling. I should never have gotten personal like that and I regret it. You are a smart guy and I appreciate your thoughts and willingness to express them.

Ricky
 
trainedobserver said:
Well, we are fucked.



That is just so lame, I don't have words. Roll over. Oh, wait, you already have.
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On the contrary, you cant address what you dont acknowledge.

Mike,

I apologize for that, I really do. I find the whole idea of submission to another species so untenable I can't really express the feeling. I should never have gotten personal like that and I regret it. You are a smart guy and I appreciate your thoughts and willingness to express them.

Ricky
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Its ok mate, I do understand.
But at a topological level.

In saying that the ability to do a thing is all the right you need, i acknowledge our current position, as well at the potential to change that position
 
mike said:
On the contrary, you cant address what you dont acknowledge.

Its ok mate, I do understand.
But at a topological level.

In saying that the ability to do a thing is all the right you need, i acknowledge or current position, as well at the potential to change that position
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If we were to acknowledge that we were being used as laboratory material for another species it would be no different than realizing that you are a slave, no worse than a slave, a thing to manipulated by some other species that finds itself in a position to exploit you. It pains me to just write that. It is a good thing for my sanity at any rate, that I do not believe that to be the case. These stories, these interpretations of these stories and experiences, are just that and are proof of nothing other than something is interacting with humanity. Whether that is some aspect of humanity or some indication of our positions in the universe's pecking order or something completely different remains to be seen.
 
And yet if you were to find yourself in the jungle unarmed stalked by a jaguar..........

Outrage though that may be to contemplate, there are scenarios where you are indeed helpless, lower in the pecking order.

Fall off a cruise ship in the deep ocean, and the tiger shark will own you.

What gives the shark to right to do so ?

Right has nothing to do with it, our sense of being top of the food chain is as irrelevant as it is wrong, ability to do unto you, is all the universe requires...................

Am i advocating a belly up response to this ? no im not.
But understanding/acknowledging the mechanism, is the first step to exploiting it to your advantage
 
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