The Myth Of The Myth Of Flying Saucers.

[mike]

This is where we ourselves are going.

By 2040 you will be able to upload your brain... - Science - News - The Independent

How to become immortal: Upload your mind - by Terrence Aym - Helium

Its the logical and ultimate expression of the survival instinct found in every biological creature on the planet.

Survive

And we are going to use technology to acheive this, are already doing so.

First it was organ transplants, now we are building artificial organs, literally printing them

'Organ Printing' Could Drastically Change Medicine - ABC News

But soon we will be transplanting directly, that very thing we seek to preserve with these procedures, the conciousness itself.

Given that we are doing this ourselves, what are the chances that a more advanced species has already mastered this ?
Consider also that we look like mastering this technology before we do interstellar travel

For me this is their agenda, its about helping us take that next step

And i believe im seeing this reflected not only in our own technological advancements and the direction its going, but also the whole alien scenario.

Our technology is taking us to a trans/post biological future, its the logical expression of technology and the biological drive to survive.

For me this is in of itself an indicator that those who have trodden the path longer than us have done the same

 

[Posey Gilbert]

A point to remember though T.O, is that just because some scientist with credentials 'X' says he has 'debunked' Sitchin's translations, we can't always rely on accredited mainstream scientists for impartial views on many of things that we may talk about in here.
For instance, I think contemporary archaeologists are very unwilling to take a fresh look at any evidence that would alter their established time-line of history (shpinx, pyramids etc).
The complete unwillingness of scientists to even discuss the subject of UFO's, let alone actually study the subject leads me to believe that when it comes to any of these esoteric topics, having scientific credentials that are peer-accepted is not neccessarily an indication that these subjects will actually be treated fairly by such scientists and academics.

I don't really have a view per-se regarding the voracity of Sitchin's work, simply because I do not know enough about it all to make any kind of intelligent comment. I do know though, that if Sitchin is way off the mark regarding the Annunaki etc, he is probably still a very intelligent and creative writer, in that he has created a whole mythology to fit in with ancient writings and art and architecture! - if it's all bollocks, then it is good-looking bollocks! lol

Regarding Michael S. Heiser, Ph.D himself, a quick search on him tells me he is amongst other things, a biblical and Hebrew scholar, specialising in the Israel region. I could not see if he is a practising Jew himself but he may well be looking at things from the point of view of someone having a particular faith. If that is the case, then I would expect him to interpret pretty much anything from the near east in these terms. I don't know enough about him to make a judgement but I am always uncomfortable (to say the least) with religious scholars. They are often willing to accept many things on 'faith' but dismiss anything else that is relying on shaky evidence!

Many of us on the paracast forums have little faith in mainstream science when it comes to UFOs. I think it was Stanton Friedman who pointed out that science should be unbiased enquiry into the unknown, but when it comes to UFOs, that is exactly the opposite of what happens. UFOs cannot exist, therefore they do not exist, therefore all sightings etc are of something else. Because UFOs (or maybe more exactly, aliens and flying saucers) cannot exist, any data to the contrary is wrong by definition and there is no point in studying the topic.
So what you have above in red is some of the reasons I do not always take the official scientific opinion regarding esoteric topics, especially UFOs!!

Posey - I first had contact with you in the forums regarding these pyramid shapes on google earth over Brooklyn, and I have to say in the last couple of weeks you have been a real eye-opener! I've looked at some stuff related to you elsewhere on the net. You have a lot to tell and thankfully are willing to do so. You do not let anything put you off which is great too.

Many of us on here have strong opinions on these topics, and some of us have had various experiences to varying degrees. From first reading a post of yours I have quickly found out there is more to you than meets the eye and that has led me to wonder now how many other people coming to this forum have equally interesting histories that they are maybe not sharing? There may be a wealth of untapped data/stories in the relatively few people who attend the forums (c/f the wider public I mean)?

Personally I have never seen a UFO and my only paranormal experience was of an apparition/ghost/shadow entity. The good thing about my experience is that there were two of us and blatantly no rational explanation for what we saw -it was also quite a close-up encounter too. Still bewilders me to this day!

Anyone reading this post who has had any paranormal experience but not as yet reported/shared it on this forum, I am now inviting you to share that we may discuss - no matter how bizarre or unlikely and lacking in hard proof, I'd love to hear about it!

Your statement above is exactly why I decided to join this group after reading some of the post I found here.
Although I do not always agree with them I have become addicted to Paracast.

 

[Posey Gilbert]

Neuroscience could mean soldiers controlling weapons with minds | Science | The Guardian

That and humanity finally returning to their original state before we were messed with by outsiders.

 

[Posey Gilbert]

quick point guys, i have just recently re-watched spielberg's 'Taken' series and actually found i enjoyed it more 2nd time round. i think i was quicker on the uptake of the plot twists and turns and spotted more references to 'real' UFO mythology, having had 8 years more exposure to it all since i last watched the show.
anway, in the series, the military cannot even make the recovered saucer switch on, nor even find controls or an engine. they finally work out that it took 5 alien pilots' brains to 'fly' the ship. power of the mind stuff. I wonder if we really did ever recover an alien craft, could it be that part of the technology is the complete integration of biology and machine?
we are heading that way really fast as far as i can see, and some recent posts have touched on related topics. all good stuff too!
when it is said that the last 120 years of technological advancement has been exponential in terms of discovery and advancement, i wonder if our trajectory along the brain-machine interface technology path may go even quicker?

Maybe I'll take a second look at it too.

 

[Posey Gilbert]

Some do appear by the reports to be manufactured objects. I agree, there has to be a industrial society where research, development, manufacturing, and maintenance facilities are producing them. The "saucer factories" would only be one facet of such a culture and it is hard to imagine that concerns about us one way or another play any significant part in it.

What also needs to be looked at is that some of the things that are called craft are actually the living creatures that are called Sky Creatures or Critters by Trevor James Constable, but were discovered by Wilhelm Reich.

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[mike]

I would even go sa far as to posit that any sentient species with the technology to come from their point of origin to earth, would as a matter of course have developed the sorts of conciousness transfer tech we are now playing with.
Indeed the local model sees us developing this technology around the 2050 mark, i doubt we will have FTL before then

Its not much of a leap from being able to print organs, to being able to print the entire bioplatform.
Upload your conciousness into what ive coined the "brainframe" computer and when you get to the destination, print yourself a optimised engineered biovessel and transfer into it.

And while that may seem like a wacky idea, its one shared by billions on the planet, albiet in a simplified chariots of the gods type version.

The jesus character says that you will be given a "new" body when you die, that is, your conciousness, or to use the religious label the soul will be "transfered/uploaded" from your native bioform into a new , optimised one. which will then be used by you to go up into heaven and live for eternity.

All i propose is a technological mechanism rather than a supernatural one for doing this very thing.

I think survival will be expressed technologically, and that this is the natural order for sentient beings.

I also think TV is being used to de-sensitise us to these ideas, Stargate universe uses the stones to transfer individual conciousness from body to body, as well we saw in the series the uploading of conciousness into the ships computer.

Mr Data from Star trek TNG is another example, and the idea was explored in the show, is he any less a sentient being for having his conciousness reside on an engineered platform ?
The vessel that carrys the conciousness, is irrelevant be it a native bioform, and engineered bioform or an artificial platform.
Within our own species the components can differ, my skin is a different colour to Poseys, men and women have entirely different mechanisms, yet we all express sentient conciousness.
This is the universal spark, that transcends the platforms that carry it.

Thus i conclude a transbiological entity would see our native bioform phase, painful as it sometimes is, the same way we see the pangs of birth.
From a transbiological pov 80 years of native biological existance, with all the pain and suffereing that entails, is like 8 hours of labour, with all the pain and suffering that process entails...... Its all relative

 

[Goggs Mackay]

Actually T.O, have there not been programs of re-settling animals when, for instance, their habitat is threatened? There have been drives to avoid the extinction of the White Rhino too.

I understand the point about whether the altrusim toward animals was for itself, or for some benefit to ourselves, the benefit to the animals almost just a side-effect or afterthought?

I do agree that seems to be the case most of the time but I am sure there are people out in the world who may have heard a certain species was threatened and acted on that threat for no other reason than to help the animal. Does this fill the requirement for an unselfish act toward animals?

I have always had my own little maxim, namely: there is no such thing as an unselfish act.

What I mean by that is people usually do things because it benefits them in some way. Even the most 'unselfish' altruistic act is fundamentally selfish because no-one would help someone else if it made them feel bad. That just does not happen. People volunteer etc all the time but I contend that people get some happiness, satisfaction, sense of smugness etc from these 'unselfish' acts.
The fact no-one is doing anything for anyone else unless it makes them feel good at the least leads to my conclusion: There are no completely unselfish acts.

 

[mike]

And if we compare the wolf, with its genetically tweaked hybrid descendants the domestic dog, the dog has gotton the better deal, the wolf is endangered, while the dog has the run of the planet. Its been freed from the threat of predators, gets advanced medical treatment including surgery and dental. enjoys a diet un interrupted by seasonal availability, and generally lives a better life than its wolf progenitors.

To this day breeds are selected for "temperment" which in turn ensures they have continued access to the advantages of its patron species and its technology

Indeed i looked up symbiotic and found this

adjective . living in symbiosis, or having an interdependent relationship: Many people feel the relationship between humans and dogs is symbiotic

I purchase and go to the trouble of putting coats on my dogs at night in winter, both the client and patron species get something out of the relationship

 

[Goggs Mackay]

Going back quickly to 'Taken' if I may, the series brought up an interesting point about aliens. One of the characters asks one of the greys (shapeshifted into human form) why they are hurting people (by abductions and experiments etc).
The alien answers that they are neither compassionate or malevolent. They were not trying to hurt anyone, it's just that these emotions are not in their genetic make-up anymore (actually part of the reason for them wanting to create hybrids is to combine the emotional part of humans, which they had lost, with their more developed mental powers).

I have often wondered whether any visiting ETs would have what we call emotions - maybe they not only do not care about us one way or the other, they may be unable to care.

We are often guilty of anthropomorphising animals and even machines sometimes, so we no doubt would automatically try to do the same for ET. It's just something we tend to naturally do. However, it may be completely wrong to do so, so if it is an automatic response by us (to give human characteristics to ET) then it is up to us to remind ourselves that our way of thinking will no doubt be as alien to them as they are to us.

There could be a whole field of study were contact to be made, covering an alien culture and their feelings and responses etc. There would be so much to find out!
Sign me up for 'Alien Relations 101'.

 

[Posey Gilbert]

I wonder too 'why can't I see a UFO?' but then I remind myself that I probably spend more time outdoors looking at the sky for hours, rather than talking about it on internet forums?
Serious point though.
I have often thought about going to mexico city or indeed the SLV, to increase my chances but really what would that increase realistically be? Probably marginal, unless I were to spend a long time outdoors in such places.
I think a lot of it is down to luck and maximising your chances, i.e get outside more and look up! Sounds deceptively simple but if you spend your time when outside looking at the sidewalk or chatting to someone then you are only going to see something that practically lands in your lap.

Another thing is, I live in a city of about 220,000 population and even it is the oil industry hub of europe (Aberdeen, Scotland. 3rd largest city in Scotland after Glasgow and Edinburgh) I have never once heard of a UFO sighting occuring here. There is a very small town called Bonnybrigg about 100miles south of here that was a major hotspot for most of the 90's though I believe it has gone quiet on the UFO front recently.
I truly believe that if there are no actual 'hotspots' for UFOs, there are certainly places that seem to attract UFOs more than other places.
The SLV, Mexico City, New Mexico, Arizona, places in Amazon basin of Brazil, Peru etc. I don't think the US attracts more than it's fair share but the wealth there means many people have cameras, camcorders etc and because of the media, stories find their way out internationally.
There may be many sightings in the Australian outback, but few people and infrastructure to see and report them.

I believe some people have indeed recorded sightings due to sheer perseverance. One english guy I saw on a UFO documentary, living quite close to where Rendlesham happened, bagged 2 sightings he recorded on video - but that was because he stood on his porch roof with a camera every night for a year. Possibly any spot on earth may yield something if you are prepared to put in the hours (we can't all trust to luck!).

And I do think also someone who always carries a camera round their neck or in the glove compartment of their car is going to be the guy who may see one and certainly the guy who will record it if he does. The ubiquity of camera phones now can only be a good thing for recorded sightings, even if the relability of the captured account is questioned due to digital manipulation being possible. No-one should allow fear of people doubting a digital image to disuade them from taking pictures because despite it being un-scientific, I do sometimes rely on a gut feeling the instant I see a modern UFO image to at least scream 'fake' immediately. Anything worthy of a look is worthy of analysis anyway!

Word!

I live in New York and have spotted UFOs in almost every borough I don't think it is luck.
Most of the time something will make me look in a certain direction, or my "Muse" will speak to me in my head and say look over there, or they'll just pop on in the area I am looking.
Sometimes they will let me take them others they do what I call "The Egg Beater In The Brain Effect" on you, and even though you have your camcorder in your hands or your camera hanging about your neck, you get so befuddled or excited that your mind cannot make your body obey it.
Sometimes they only want you to see them but not get any evidence, other times though you have people all around you, only you or a couple of you will be able to see it.
Other times they will do a single or a double pulse, or a quick flashing light display to call or draw only your attention to them.
Still there are those UFO that don't seem to mind you seeing them in fact I believe they want you to see them, although they look like craft they are not what they seem these things are living entities and can be very amazing and actually respond to your thoughts.
These are called Critters by Trevor James Constable, I call them Nonts.
Although I advise most people to leave them alone I also tell them how to learn to not only see them but to call them to you.
It is really easy to do as getting into trouble always is.
To see or call them you don't look for them, you must simply learn to stare and observe what you see.
It is easier if you can find a place where there are no lights shining directly in your eyes.
If you are in the city you can put up blankets to block any distracting lights.
It is best if you are alone but if you have someone that shares the same interest it is fine, you just must try to not distract each other by talking.
Go out before after sun set and the stars start coming out, pick a point in the sky.
Sit and fix your attention to that one point just observe what you see.
This is hard to do at first and can be quite boring but persevere.
As the stars start pushing threw the blue your eye will be attracted to them.
That's good and what you want to happen, once again fix your gaze to your chosen point, and do the same as before,
As the stars finally come out and you sit there with your gaze fixed to a point you will start to notice that every now and then one of the stars will seem to unfix itself and start to slide across the sky to reaffix itself to another point.
When it does this fix your gaze and bit by bit as the sky darkens you will notice that a lot of what you thought were stars will do this.
That is why you must not look for them you will look past them as you look for them.
Eventually as you get better at this and learn not to get over excited when you see them move think or say a movement that you'd like to see them do.
Most of the time they will do it before your thought is complete they will do it.
Eventually they will start to come closer to you, when this starts to happen expect paranormal and poltergeist activity to begin in your home.
It will be cute and amusing at first, but is will accelerate in to things at you will not find cute or amusing and I leave it there.

My 32nd Street Sighting​

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Posey Gilbert Jeff Rense_Interview 05/09/2009​

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Part One_Posey Gilbert_Interview​

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Part Two _Posey Gilbert_Interview​

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Part Three​

http://templeoftheinfidel.com/3_05_09_16_2009.mp2​

 

[Posey Gilbert]

This is where we ourselves are going.

By 2040 you will be able to upload your brain... - Science - News - The Independent

How to become immortal: Upload your mind - by Terrence Aym - Helium

Its the logical and ultimate expression of the survival instinct found in every biological creature on the planet.

Survive

And we are going to use technology to acheive this, are already doing so.

First it was organ transplants, now we are building artificial organs, literally printing them

'Organ Printing' Could Drastically Change Medicine - ABC News

But soon we will be transplanting directly, that very thing we seek to preserve with these procedures, the conciousness itself.

Given that we are doing this ourselves, what are the chances that a more advanced species has already mastered this ?
Consider also that we look like mastering this technology before we do interstellar travel

For me this is their agenda, its about helping us take that next step

And i believe im seeing this reflected not only in our own technological advancements and the direction its going, but also the whole alien scenario.

Our technology is taking us to a trans/post biological future, its the logical expression of technology and the biological drive to survive.

For me this is in of itself an indicator that those who have trodden the path longer than us have done the same

I myself always thought our bodies were just cocoons for our real body the soul.
The night he died my Brother Ralph shower me this thought was true.

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The Scent Of Flowers.​

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[mike]

Its also been hypothesised that they may be humans from the future.
But even in this scenario the transbiological aspect plays out

What this means is that if the trends of the past 50 years continue, in 17 years’ time we will be able to upload an electronic replica of your mind on to a machine.
There will be two of you – one a flesh-and-blood animal, the other inside a computer’s circuits.
And if the trends hold fast beyond that, Kurzweil adds, by 2045 we will have a computer that is powerful enough to host every one of the eight billion minds on Earth.
Carbon and silicon-based intelligence will merge to form a single global consciousness.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2096522/The-singularity-Mind-blowing-benefits-merging-human-brains-computers.html#ixzz1m6wNCk1B

In the model we see playing out before our very eyes, this technology looks likely to be realised long before more advanced transport technologys like faster than light/time/Warp(space and or time) travel.

Which is why i posit that any species advanced enough to travel here, would already have become post biological

 

[Posey Gilbert]

Wow you guys all are right on point today.​

It's like you been walking around in my heart and mind.​

Great conversations.​

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[Goggs Mackay]

Well Posey might it also be the case that indeed UFOs are attracted to certain people? It often seems that people who see them once see them several times.

I agree that some UFOs may only be something masquerading as a 'saucer' or whatever, but some I think are solid unchangeable craft.
Phoenix Lights boomerang - well I don't have any inside information but if what people say they saw is correct, I think that is a craft built in that shape that is not ours. I don't have any proof however.
This thing about looking at the stars - years back on top of a mountain, away from ligh pollution, I was with a girl and we were lying on the car looking up, we both saw some stars that were moving with respect to other stars, and we even narrated their movements to eachother as a check we were saying the same thing. It wasn't satellites we were seeing, as I know what they look like moving across the sky.
Anyway, I've always thought that was the closest to maybe ever seeing a UFO but I cannot ignore the explanation that changes of heat in the atmosphere can make a point of light appear to move - and it would look the same for two observers sitting next to eachother.

Like a lot of this stuff - who really knows!

And Posey, interesting that you saw 'expect paranormal or poltergeist activity etc' because I have thought that maybe it is the exotic space-bending capabilities of the propulsion system that may alter something in our perception, leading to many varied paranormal events in the vicinity?
As I said, who knows? It sure is interesting talking about it though.

 

[Posey Gilbert]

Well Posey might it also be the case that indeed UFOs are attracted to certain people? It often seems that people who see them once see them several times.

I agree that some UFOs may only be something masquerading as a 'saucer' or whatever, but some I think are solid unchangeable craft.
Phoenix Lights boomerang - well I don't have any inside information but if what people say they saw is correct, I think that is a craft built in that shape that is not ours. I don't have any proof however.
This thing about looking at the stars - years back on top of a mountain, away from ligh pollution, I was with a girl and we were lying on the car looking up, we both saw some stars that were moving with respect to other stars, and we even narrated their movements to eachother as a check we were saying the same thing. It wasn't satellites we were seeing, as I know what they look like moving across the sky.
Anyway, I've always thought that was the closest to maybe ever seeing a UFO but I cannot ignore the explanation that changes of heat in the atmosphere can make a point of light appear to move - and it would look the same for two observers sitting next to eachother.

Like a lot of this stuff - who really knows!

And Posey, interesting that you saw 'expect paranormal or poltergeist activity etc' because I have thought that maybe it is the exotic space-bending capabilities of the propulsion system that may alter something in our perception, leading to many varied paranormal events in the vicinity?
As I said, who knows? It sure is interesting talking about it though.

Every thing you said is right my friend.
Please understand that there are real craft but like our subs and aircraft are designed after the forms of birds and fish these craft are designed after the Nonts.
And you are correct if you see one you will see others, I've lost count myself.
Another fact is if you or your friends are an Experiencer "They" will visit and or take them too.

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"If you lay down with Abductees you will get up smelling like aliens" Posey Gilbert​

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[Goggs Mackay]

Ok Posey, how about this?

If I, or anyone else, were to stay with you, go everywhere you go when out etc for the rest of your life (not saying that would be an attractive proposition) - would that person be likely to share in a sighting of yours? Do you think you have seen all the UFOs you will ever see, or do you think you may even have a few more sightings in your life?

Someone once said to me that I would only ever win the lottery if I truly believed that I may. I wonder if you need to believe in UFOs or at least the paranormal before you may actually see one?
I mean that I think there have been multiple people who have been together during the same sighting but only some of those people report having seen anything. Maybe for some people who strongly do not believe in UFOs, their own mind will not allow them to accept the reality of a sighting - I don't just mean that they will explain it with mundane things, but that they're brain won't allow them to see anything?
I do realise that you say you were having encounters before you really were aware what UFOs were, so in that respect, no-one needs to believe in UFOs for them to witness them?

In the same vein as my first proposition, If a professional camera crew were to live you with you 24/7, would they capture on film anything you see, or can it somehow be a supernatural event that won't neccessarily be captured on film?

 

[Posey Gilbert]

Its also been hypothesised that they may be humans from the future.
But even in this scenario the transbiological aspect plays out



In the model we see playing out before our very eyes, this technology looks likely to be realised long before more advanced transport technologys like faster than light/time/Warp(space and or time) travel.

Which is why i posit that any species advanced enough to travel here, would already have become post biological

No one but they really know what they are.
I have had 60 years of experience with these damned things and I can't say who or what they are, or where they come from.
I do know that I have experience different types of them working together with tall beautiful human looking beings.
My Muse is the voice of the lady on the roof.
She was the one that explained to me what The Nonts were.
This is partially written a about in Phil Imbrogno's book Interdimensional Universe.

 

[Posey Gilbert]

Ok Posey, how about this?

If I, or anyone else, were to stay with you, go everywhere you go when out etc for the rest of your life (not saying that would be an attractive proposition) - would that person be likely to share in a sighting of yours? Do you think you have seen all the UFOs you will ever see, or do you think you may even have a few more sightings in your life?

Someone once said to me that I would only ever win the lottery if I truly believed that I may. I wonder if you need to believe in UFOs or at least the paranormal before you may actually see one?
I mean that I think there have been multiple people who have been together during the same sighting but only some of those people report having seen anything. Maybe for some people who strongly do not believe in UFOs, their own mind will not allow them to accept the reality of a sighting - I don't just mean that they will explain it with mundane things, but that they're brain won't allow them to see anything?
I do realise that you say you were having encounters before you really were aware what UFOs were, so in that respect, no-one needs to believe in UFOs for them to witness them?

In the same vein as my first proposition, If a professional camera crew were to live you with you 24/7, would they capture on film anything you see, or can it somehow be a supernatural event that won't neccessarily be captured on film?

Yes to all of the above.
My last sighting was 2:30 AM last Sunday 01/30/2012.
Every one that actually becomes close to me or a part of my life they have had encounters and after that that they mostly stop coming around me.

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Mystery On The Twenty Second Floor​

It had been a warm day and Mark and I had spent most of it at band practice.​

Mark and Valorie, his girl friend back then, his now wife of today, were going to a party at Val's girlfriend Pat's apartment on the twenty first floor of my building.​

I myself never cared much for crowds and parties, gave them the walk and ride up to the twenty first floor.​

Mark and I stepped onto the patio to speak about the next rehearsal while Valorie continued onto and into Pat's apartment.​

Mark and I were speaking for a moment when over his shoulder out of the darkening west I noticed a slow moving slowly alternating light pulsing red and white.​

Thinking it to be a low flying blimp I pointed it out to Mark and commented on how low it was flying.​

As it neared we noticed that this blimp was not only absolutely silent but the fuselage had to be transparent for it was only visible when the alternating lights below it shown upon it.​

Having never seen such a blimp before Mark and I went to the roof of the Project to get a better look at this new kind of blimp.​

We walked over to the southern wing of the building were the object was headed toward and stood there watching it approach straining our eyes to see if we could make out the outline of the balloon part of the craft.​

As it passed over we could only see the stars of the night sky but where the lights reflected off of what should have been the hull of this device we could still see the stars hazed through either red or white depending on the color of the light that was shining.​

It seemed to pause for a second about eight or ten feet right above our heads, and then suddenly we were watching it now some distance off in the East slowly moving over the Washington Ave Projects.​

We then went back down to the twenty first floor and I walked Mark to Pat's apartment and dropped in just to say hello.​

As we stepped in Valorie angrily shouted, "Where have you two been all this time?!"​

"We just went up on the roof for a moment to watch this blimp go over" Mark said.​

"What do you mean all that time?" I asked " It could have been no more than five or ten minutes since you came in."​

"No you guys were gone longer than that." Valorie protested and Pat agreed.​

Me and Mark just looked to each other puzzled by Valories' reaction but thought no more about it.​

Although Mark and I knew we had seen a UFO that night, this happened back in the early seventies when there was not as much talk about alien abductions, so that was never a thought that entered our minds.​

I, years later, asked Valorie how long she thought Mark and I had been gone and she said it had been about an hour or so.​

These days we look at that event quite differently.​

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[Posey Gilbert]

I would even go sa far as to posit that any sentient species with the technology to come from their point of origin to earth, would as a matter of course have developed the sorts of conciousness transfer tech we are now playing with.
Indeed the local model sees us developing this technology around the 2050 mark, i doubt we will have FTL before then

Its not much of a leap from being able to print organs, to being able to print the entire bioplatform.
Upload your conciousness into what ive coined the "brainframe" computer and when you get to the destination, print yourself a optimised engineered biovessel and transfer into it.

And while that may seem like a wacky idea, its one shared by billions on the planet, albiet in a simplified chariots of the gods type version.

The jesus character says that you will be given a "new" body when you die, that is, your conciousness, or to use the religious label the soul will be "transfered/uploaded" from your native bioform into a new , optimised one. which will then be used by you to go up into heaven and live for eternity.

All i propose is a technological mechanism rather than a supernatural one for doing this very thing.

I think survival will be expressed technologically, and that this is the natural order for sentient beings.

I also think TV is being used to de-sensitise us to these ideas, Stargate universe uses the stones to transfer individual conciousness from body to body, as well we saw in the series the uploading of conciousness into the ships computer.

Mr Data from Star trek TNG is another example, and the idea was explored in the show, is he any less a sentient being for having his conciousness reside on an engineered platform ?
The vessel that carrys the conciousness, is irrelevant be it a native bioform, and engineered bioform or an artificial platform.
Within our own species the components can differ, my skin is a different colour to Poseys, men and women have entirely different mechanisms, yet we all express sentient conciousness.
This is the universal spark, that transcends the platforms that carry it.

Thus i conclude a transbiological entity would see our native bioform phase, painful as it sometimes is, the same way we see the pangs of birth.
From a transbiological pov 80 years of native biological existance, with all the pain and suffereing that entails, is like 8 hours of labour, with all the pain and suffering that process entails...... Its all relative

You've hit on something that I have for a long time, and still often think about.
Even as a kid I always thought that the face I saw in the mirror was not my normal or real face, and the body I had was not my real body.
But I never could figure out why I thought that way and eventually stopped thinking about it for fear that my father would have me put into a Nuthouse if I told him what I thought.
Now I know that I have implants and actually some years ago had one cut out of me by something that was invisible.
We when we started school Ralph and I were called geniuses and they begged my mother to let them send us to a different school for gifted children but Mother refused their offer.
Now I have always felt that there was another me in me, because I have always known things that I should not know.
But I never could figure out which me was me, the smart one or the regular kid?
The lady from the roof promised that one day she would come back and take me with her.
But I never could figure out which me she was talking about.
When my Muse/the lady from the roof or The Winds speak to me I hear them in my forehead, my throat, and my heart.
My late girlfriend Carolyn use to tell me I am remembering a past life, but I don't believe in that crap and I am not about to let anyone hypnotize me and go digging around inside my head.

Hypnosis, Just Say No.​

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[Posey Gilbert]

It might seem that way , but that could be a result of their post biological reality.
An infant or even a pet might get that very same impression when it gets its vaccination shots.

The truth is the Doctor or vet giving the shots, is able to see the larger picture and thus the pain of the shot, is outweiged by the benefits of the treatment.

If they are transbiological, then biological discomfort on our part might be seen as a trivial matter in the larger scheme of things.

Consider this scenario, after 70 or 80 years of biological existance, you are uploaded to the next level of post biological reality where you enjoy the benefits of this new existance for thousands of years, the 70 or 80 years of native biological suffering, become no more significant than the painful pangs of birth we all had to endure to be here now.

The Doctor delivering the baby, doesnt really lose any sleep over the pains of birth that baby suffers, its an accepted, unavoidable part of the larger picture. and its a small part of a much larger reality.
Perhaps from their transbiological perspective, our biological discomfort is as accepted and unavoidable as the birth pangs of biological existance.

For the puppy that gets a thermometer shoved up its rectum, and a needle jabbed in his backside, it would be logical for it to think the being doing this doesnt give a rats ass about him, and has its own agenda. But from the vets perspective its a different story entirely

You make it sound so gentle. caring, and comfortable.
That may be because you may never have went through this, it's more like getting your nuts slammed in a door, and the pain is not only amplified, but sustained, as they run an electric current through them as they apply read hot pliers to your nipples and twist and pull them, while shoving a over sized broken glass studded base ball bat up your rectum all the while they stair emotionlessly at you as if puzzled by your reaction.
And remember your in their time flow, which though it is only for a couple of minutes here, it can be like hours over there.
And all the while you hear your mother , father, brothers. sisters. or children screaming for their lives begging you or an uncaring God to help them.
People think that these beings give you screen memories or hypnotize you to forget what happened.
I say it's your own psyche that blots out or clothes your memories with other less frightening
images.
All this talk about smiling kind hearted loving alien and visits to an interdimensional vets office is coming from A Holes like Steven Greer and Deloris Cannon who've never had a real encounter.
And please understand they all are not like that, there are those that are if not caring they try to make it easier on you, but remember there are also those that will gut you just like is done to cattle and guess what it is always done while you are alive and awake.
read Jacques Vallee if you do not believe me.

The problem is because some of them all look alike one never really knows,​

"Who is it that comes?"​

The truth is no one knows the truth.​

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Art Bell Human Mutilations ​

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Butch Witkowski UFOs And Human Mutilations Part 1 of 4
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Butch Witkowski UFOs And Human Mutilations Part 4 of 4

May it be that you never come to know the real truth my friend.​

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