The Nightmares of Bruce Goldberg

[BrandonD]

Just listened to the show, my 2 cents:

I don't think that anything Dr Goldberg talks about is really that unbelievable. Set alongside the other ideas that have been talked about on this program, they're pretty much on par.

BUT the aspect of this guy that I just can't go along with is the fact that he's pretty much a "true believer". I have to part intellectual ways with anyone in that mindset, even if some of their ideas happen to coincide with mine. I'm fine with someone talking about any investigations and speculations, no matter how wacky, as long as they acknowledge that we're in uncharted territory and really don't know anything.

I think that's what appeals to me about the folks in this forum, it seems to be a congregation of open-minded people who avoid "true believers" like the plague.

 

[Ron Collins]

WOW, I feel physically tired.

The only thing that bums me out about this is that this is two weeks of absolute shit for content. After this one, I feel somehow dumber than when I started. I'm not disappointed with Gene or Dave I think overall they are as disappointed as I am. Sorry to unload like this, Im just ready for something a bit more meaningful.

Just a question, no snideness meant just curious. Do you guys pre-screen these shows? Do we literally hear the first conversation you have with these guys?

 

[David Biedny]

Ron,

No, we don't screen stuff, it's the call as it went. Unfiltered, for the most part.

In this field, it's impossible to get only "good" guests, sometimes it makes sense to put up someone who is obviously full of it, if for no other reason to do what we all want to do - call these guys on their nonsense. That's what we did with Goldberg. We'll do this from time to time, but no worries, we're not interested in a steady diet of this, either. The next two weeks are Paul Kimball and Richard Dolan, which more than makes up for these last couple of locos.

And you all know what's really frustrating? We get a LOT more feedback - and download action - from shows like this, versus a show like the one we did with Joe Citro. Breaks my heart, but that's the truth. Go figga...

dB

 

[Aaron LeClair]

I'm listening to it now. I'm going to try to defend his style because...well...it's more interesting if someone does....

Ciuld it be that he either A.) Is naturally hyper or B.) speaks fast because he doesn't know how long he has to get in what he wants to say?

If I don't know how long I have I'll speak fast on the radio. If he does TV then he's used to talking in sound-bytes.

Does anyone here think he believes what he's saying?

I don't know. The interesting thing is, many here may be reading too much into him, just as he reads to much into ancient drawings of baboons.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

If he is dishonest, and just wanting money, he must be a greedy bastard, since who knows of a poor dentist?

 

[BrandonD]

In this field, it's impossible to get only "good" guests, sometimes it makes sense to put up someone who is obviously full of it, if for no other reason to do what we all want to do - call these guys on their nonsense. That's what we did with Goldberg. We'll do this from time to time, but no worries, we're not interested in a steady diet of this, either. The next two weeks are Paul Kimball and Richard Dolan, which more than makes up for these last couple of locos.

I guess it's entertaining to hear a twitchy ADD guy such as Bruce, but I actually can't see anything constructive about bringing guys like him on the show. Just my opinion of course, but I can't figure out the usefulness of interviewing anyone who's promoting a belief system, no matter what that belief system happens to be.

Then again, I guess this show can be presented as "Here is an example of the type of people to avoid." That's pretty educational.

 

[Woody Sideman]

Just listened to the show, my 2 cents:

I don't think that anything Dr Goldberg talks about is really that unbelievable. Set alongside the other ideas that have been talked about on this program, they're pretty much on par.

I'll agree with you that the topics discussed are on a par with the content of other shows. However, having a totally insane answer for absolutely everything is worthy of ridicule.

BUT the aspect of this guy that I just can't go along with is the fact that he's pretty much a "true believer". I have to part intellectual ways with anyone in that mindset, even if some of their ideas happen to coincide with mine. I'm fine with someone talking about any investigations and speculations, no matter how wacky, as long as they acknowledge that we're in uncharted territory and really don't know anything.

Common sense must be applied to the aspects of reality that we don't understand, until we do happen to understand them. Take the electricity thing he started off with. Yeah, sure, there is some evidence that there may have been low power direct current batteries in ancient times, but that guy ended up stating that they had television sets.

My common sense (connecting the dots approach) leads me to:

If the batteries did work, then it is unlikely that the people who used them would have understood anything about electricity. They were probably criminals who used the 'unknown' technology for electroplating precious metals on to semi-precious metals. This would not have gone down too well with the powers that be. The pharaoh certainly wouldn't have had armies of labourers chipping the blueprints for such equipment onto the walls of temples. It would have been a state secret.

I think that's what appeals to me about the folks in this forum, it seems to be a congregation of open-minded people who avoid "true believers" like the plague.

I can only speak for myself. I participate here because I want to know more about certain aspects of reality that are regarded as paranormal. I suspect that I need to do this in order to fill a spiritual gap, though what that gap is I can't define. Maybe some day one of guests will enlighten me. I suppose that most shows will create a 'eureka' moment for 1 or more of the listeners. That show did not create any 'eureka' moment for anyone. On the other hand, that show did educate everyone about the potential pitfalls of this particular set of subjects.

Woody

 

[Verum]

CapnG wrote

He's dead wrong (no pun intended) about reincarnation, I have a copy of the Tibetan book of the dead and you most certainly can return as a plant or animal. You can also come back as a ghost or even as a god (slight catch with that one, you only exist for as long as someone believes in you). Human is the default option, the last of the line.

How does it work that the only truly sentient creatures on the planet--humans--are last of the line? Do you mean that's the state to be aspired to, even beyond godliness?

 

[Woody Sideman]

CapnG wrote

He's dead wrong (no pun intended) about reincarnation, I have a copy of the Tibetan book of the dead and you most certainly can return as a plant or animal. You can also come back as a ghost or even as a god (slight catch with that one, you only exist for as long as someone believes in you). Human is the default option, the last of the line.

How does it work that the only truly sentient creatures on the planet--humans--are last of the line? Do you mean that's the state to be aspired to, even beyond godliness?

hmmm.... I don't know if we are the only sentient creatures on the planet. As far as the Tibetans are concerned, I think the Buddhist community aspire to attain Nirvana, a state of non-existence. Perhaps they regard living as a sentient human as being in hell.

Woody

 

[ondafritz]

What we need, David, is a good car crash sound, so we can invoke a Paracast Rating upon those deserving of such recognition -- or not!

I'll send you one tomorrow.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

What we need, David, is a good car crash sound, so we can invoke a Paracast Rating upon those deserving of such recognition -- or not!

I'll send you one tomorrow.

Oh yeah.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

CapnG wrote

He's dead wrong (no pun intended) about reincarnation, I have a copy of the Tibetan book of the dead and you most certainly can return as a plant or animal. You can also come back as a ghost or even as a god (slight catch with that one, you only exist for as long as someone believes in you). Human is the default option, the last of the line.

How does it work that the only truly sentient creatures on the planet--humans--are last of the line? Do you mean that's the state to be aspired to, even beyond godliness?

hmmm.... I don't know if we are the only sentient creatures on the planet. As far as the Tibetans are concerned, I think the Buddhist community aspire to attain Nirvana, a state of non-existence. Perhaps they regard living as a sentient human as being in hell.

Woody

I don't recall Nirvana being a state of non-existence so much as one of mental rest, and not suffering. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana But, like many religious ideas, there's probably different ideas about it.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

It would be funny to have someone do the Howard Stern like noises with certain guests. It might be cliche, but a Cookoo Clock sound would be good at times.

 

[ondafritz]

This guy just started talking now???? Oh no! Oh, it's just the automatic player. Ok... this guy is gone.... Ahhhhhh a re-play of a good Richard Dolan episode to make this place a happy place for you and me.

 

[ondafritz]

What we need, David, is a good car crash sound, so we can invoke a Paracast Rating upon those deserving of such recognition -- or not!

I'll send you one tomorrow.

Oh yeah.

Check your email!

 

[ondafritz]

And don't even get me started about when this ass clown started dissing Dr. Bruce! Maccabee now! Maccabee for ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mothra]

I'm 18:00 minutes into this and I'm going to go turn it off and shoot myself. Really its the first time I haven't been able to sit through one of your shows. I didn't think anything could top the French Meteor guy or Mr UFO. But much to my dismay I was mistaken. I wonder if he actually believes what he's selling


His Time traveler stuff on his website is typical Art bell (or should I call him Drako) Ed Dames garbage.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

I'm 18:00 minutes into this and I'm going to go turn it off and shoot myself. Really its the first time I haven't been able to sit through one of your shows. I didn't think anything could top the French Meteor guy or Mr UFO. But much to my dismay I was mistaken. I wonder if he actually believes what he's selling


His Time traveler stuff on his website is typical Art bell (or should I call him Drako) Ed Dames garbage.

After you shoot yourself, can we have you on the show direct from the afterlife?

 

[auntiegrav]

How does it work that the only truly sentient creatures on the planet--humans--are last of the line? Do you mean that's the state to be aspired to, even beyond godliness?

hmmm.... I don't know if we are the only sentient creatures on the planet.
Woody

I saw a NOVA episode where the dolphins were having an orgy. It may not be politically correct, but I'd call that pretty porpoiseful....;-)

 

[BrandonD]

Common sense must be applied to the aspects of reality that we don't understand, until we do happen to understand them. Take the electricity thing he started off with. Yeah, sure, there is some evidence that there may have been low power direct current batteries in ancient times, but that guy ended up stating that they had television sets.

My common sense (connecting the dots approach) leads me to:

If the batteries did work, then it is unlikely that the people who used them would have understood anything about electricity. They were probably criminals who used the 'unknown' technology for electroplating precious metals on to semi-precious metals. This would not have gone down too well with the powers that be. The pharaoh certainly wouldn't have had armies of labourers chipping the blueprints for such equipment onto the walls of temples. It would have been a state secret.

That's all a good possibility. Then again, can we really say that we understand electricity now? We surf the wave without knowing what it is composed of or why it behaves as it does. It's our same approach to most things: We don't care that much about the why, what's vastly more important is how we can exploit it.

My comment about the plausibility of his ideas wasn't referring to the specifics but rather his basic premises (time-travellers, astral plane beings, ancient technology, etc).

I can only speak for myself. I participate here because I want to know more about certain aspects of reality that are regarded as paranormal. I suspect that I need to do this in order to fill a spiritual gap, though what that gap is I can't define. Maybe some day one of guests will enlighten me. I suppose that most shows will create a 'eureka' moment for 1 or more of the listeners. That show did not create any 'eureka' moment for anyone. On the other hand, that show did educate everyone about the potential pitfalls of this particular set of subjects.

Well said, I'm a student as well. And in my opinion the best people to learn with are those who refrain from beliefs and allow themselves to remain in the area of the mystery, no matter how uncomfortable that position might be.