The Official Paracast Political Thread! — Part Four

[pixelsmith]

You mean 97% of climate scientists are stupid?

Let's see how smart you are Gene. Where did your "97% of scientists agree" mantra come from?

 

[pixelsmith]

Ah.

So gravity, thermodynamics, and heleiocentrism are belief systems?

They are theories. Like phlogiston.

 

[marduk]

They are theories. Like phlogiston.

Here's what theory means.

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world.

Phlogiston was discounted 150 years ago.

If you are attempting to say that any scientific theory proven incorrect means they are all proven incorrect, then I would like you to post your logic. There's a vast difference between 'there exists' and 'for all' - i.e. The black swan problem.

Tell me Pixel - you're an organic farmer. If I find one molecule of pesticide in anything your farm produces, will you still be an organic farmer?

 

[pixelsmith]

Here's what theory means.

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world.

Phlogiston was discounted 150 years ago.

If you are attempting to say that any scientific theory proven incorrect means they are all proven incorrect, then I would like you to post your logic. There's a vast difference between 'there exists' and 'for all' - i.e. The black swan problem.

Tell me Pixel - you're an organic farmer. If I find one molecule of pesticide in anything your farm produces, will you still be an organic farmer?

We farm with organic methods. We do not use pesticides, if you find a molecule of it we are still using organic methods.

 

[pixelsmith]

I notice you all dodged telling me where Del was wrong in his podcast/video.
I also noticed you all utilize sources that are known to be corrupt. I notice you ignore lead scientists at the CDC who admit to falsifying and destroying data that proves what Dr Wakefields paper suggested.
You people are bizarre.


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[marduk]

We farm with organic methods. We do not use pesticides, if you find a molecule of it we are still using organic methods.

Good, we agree on something!

So, if one theory is later proven and supplanted - say Newtonian physics vs Quantum Mechanics - does that invalidate all theories?

 

[marduk]

I notice you all dodged telling me where Del was wrong in his podcast/video.
I also noticed you all utilize sources that are known to be corrupt. I notice you ignore lead scientists at the CDC who admit to falsifying and destroying data that proves what Dr Wakefields paper suggested.
You people are bizarre.


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Would you listen if I did?

Serious question.

 

[pixelsmith]

Would you listen if I did?

Serious question.

Absolutely

 

[pixelsmith]

Good, we agree on something!

So, if one theory is later proven and supplanted - say Newtonian physics vs Quantum Mechanics - does that invalidate all theories?

No

 

[marduk]

No

So why would old theories that you present that have been invalidated invalidate climate change?

 

[marduk]

Absolutely

Number one result from google:
https://www.researchgate.net/profil...lled_trial/links/0c960518a8d1828441000000.pdf

I suggest you read it.

There are thousands more.

In other words, the central thesis from this guy - that vaccination studies don't do double blind studies and account for the placebo effect - is wrong.

 

[pixelsmith]

Number one result from google:
https://www.researchgate.net/profil...lled_trial/links/0c960518a8d1828441000000.pdf

I suggest you read it.

There are thousands more.

In other words, the central thesis from this guy - that vaccination studies don't do double blind studies and account for the placebo effect - is wrong.

The HPV placebo study didn't use a saline placebo. Watch Del and learn about it.

 

[pixelsmith]

So why would old theories that you present that have been invalidated invalidate climate change?

Climate change happens continuously. It can't be invalidated. Humans causing it can't even be addressed because nothing abnormal is happening.
Science can't even settle on if it is warming or cooling. Either one is still. Kemal as evidenced in the past 2000 years.

 

[marduk]

The HPV placebo study didn't use a saline placebo. Watch Del and learn about it.

I did.

He's wrong.

Just proved it.

 

[marduk]

Climate change happens continuously. It can't be invalidated. Humans causing it can't even be addressed because nothing abnormal is happening.
Science can't even settle on if it is warming or cooling. Either one is still. Kemal as evidenced in the past 2000 years.

Sure it does.

And it's now happening faster than recorded history. Geological history.

We are extinguishing species as quickly - or more - than any other extinction event.

Because of mankind.

 

[mike]

Thankfully we have some good laws down here. The big states have rules that say if your kid isnt vaccinated then it cant go to daycare or pre-school. The other states are following soon.

Queensland, NSW and Victoria require children to be fully immunised or on an approved catch-up program, a position Mr Turnbull wants other states and territories to adopt.

Mr McGowan said his new Government was likely to adhere to that.

"Clearly we need to take drastic action to save the lives of children, they can't make these decisions for themselves," he told Sky News.

"I'm on the side of keeping children safe."

WA likely to introduce 'no jab, no play' vaccination laws

And also,

Children without vaccinations being refused medical care: study

And we cut their welfare,

Australia to cut benefits if kids aren't vaccinated - CNN.com

You want the benefits of being in the herd, you have to do the right thing by it.

Eventually the anti vaxers will become such a tiny tiny minority, no one will care when we pass laws allowing social services to seize them and put them into foster care where they can be made safe with vaccinations.

 

[Angel of Ioren]

Those are good laws, Mike.

 

[pixelsmith]

I did.

He's wrong.

Just proved it.

No you didn't.

 

[pixelsmith]

Thankfully we have some good laws down here. The big states have rules that say if your kid isnt vaccinated then it cant go to daycare or pre-school. The other states are following soon.



WA likely to introduce 'no jab, no play' vaccination laws

And also,

Children without vaccinations being refused medical care: study

And we cut their welfare,

Australia to cut benefits if kids aren't vaccinated - CNN.com

You want the benefits of being in the herd, you have to do the right thing by it.

Eventually the anti vaxers will become such a tiny tiny minority, no one will care when we pass laws allowing social services to seize them and put them into foster care where they can be made safe with vaccinations.

Only ignorant people believe in herd immunity and that vaccines are safe and effective. Period.

 

[pixelsmith]

Natural immunity is the only effective "herd immunity".
Once you vaccinate you must get boosters every 5 years or so depending on the vaccine.
Then they become less effective each time.
Most likely most of you are considered unvaccinated.
Remember when getting a life virus vaccine you must quarantine yourself for at least 2-3 weeks.


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