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They Should Tell You Climate change

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Burnt put down the kool aid and wake up.


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That's just ironic after you posted the weatherman video that we were all supposed to learn from, 'cept he's the same guy speaking at oil empire meetings. So who has really been drinking all the kool aid? You need to look in the mirror a little more closely.;)

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You sir are full of it. Your fake scientists have been PAID to come to a preconceived CONcensus by political institutions. Lol


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Let me ask you something. What are we all going to die from this year? It used to be cooling, then warming, then ozone hole, then acid rain, then sea levels rising, then climate change, then global climate disruption, now what burnt? Maybe the sky will be falling next?!?!? LMAO!


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You are the modern day Chicken Little with ZERO facts to back up your crazy claims.


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Who is George Soros?

You constantly promote the Koch brothers and often the links you provide have direct connection to them - that's the problem with what you are often promoting - pro oil diatribes and fringe science in the name of big energy corporations.
 
He is worse than the Koch and Bush family combined. He is your leader and the guy with his hand up the chief puppets a$$.


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I think we are done here. You have much to learn.
Much to learn?! Oh please. This is starting to move past sad and into more obvious spaces. If you left this thread reason would prevail and reasonable people could engage in a more nuanced discussion around an important, global topic that is complicated and requires real academic material to work with.

So far your contributions have been: 1) insults 2) inane, empty one liner pieces of rhetoric 3) claims that everyone else is ignorant and needs to be educated by your fringe, pro-oil bunk 4) an absolute inability to respond to the basic critcisms of #3. If that's all you can provide and are unable to respond to critiques without resorting to tactics 1-4 then yes, please, exit stage left.

What's interesting for me is that just some simple, basic research of climate change provides ample evidence of a human created crisis that is repeated by mainstream, independent and academic media worldwide. It's not fringy, inaccurate, billionaire sponsored drivel or cherry picked pseudo science. It's not sponsored by some mythic global warming conspiracy cartel. It's a cross section of what reaonable journalists, scientists and academic institutions are talking about. For example:

Official prophecy of doom: Global warming will cause widespread conflict, displace millions of people and devastate the global economy - Climate Change - Environment - The Independent

Climate Change: News - Long-term warming likely to be significant despite recent slowdown

The frozen truth about glaciers, climate change and our future -- ScienceDaily

Climate change will reduce crops sooner than expected, says study - Technology & Science - CBC News

Global warming melts last stable edge of Greenland's Zachariae ice stream, scientists say - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/science/scientists-sound-alarm-on-climate.html?_r=0

The material below is an excerpt from the above link and it provides what I would describe to be balanced look at the problem...

The report warns that the effects of human emissions of heat-trapping gases are already being felt, that the ultimate consequences could be dire, and that the window to do something about it is closing.

“The evidence is overwhelming: Levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are rising,” says the report. “Temperatures are going up. Springs are arriving earlier. Ice sheets are melting. Sea level is rising. The patterns of rainfall and drought are changing. Heat waves are getting worse, as is extreme precipitation. The oceans are acidifying.”

In a sense, this is just one more report about global warming in a string going back decades. For anybody who was already paying attention, the report contains no new science. But the language in the 18-page report, called “What We Know,” is sharper, clearer and more accessible than perhaps anything the scientific community has put out to date.

And the association does not plan to stop with the report. The group, with a membership of 121,200 scientists and science supporters around the world, plans a broad outreach campaign to put forward accurate information in simple language.

The scientists are essentially trying to use their powers of persuasion to cut through public confusion over this issue.

Polls show that most Americans are at least somewhat worried about global warming. But people generally do not understand that the problem is urgent — that the fate of future generations (not necessarily that far in the future) is being determined by emission levels now. Moreover, the average citizen tends to think there is more scientific debate about the basics than there really is.

The report emphasizes that the experts have come to a consensus, with only a few dissenters. “Based on well-established evidence, about 97 percent of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening,” it says.

That is not the same as claiming that all questions about climate change have been answered. In fact, enormous questions, remain, and the science of global warming entails a robust, evolving discussion.
 
You think that humans who have been on this planet for an almost unmeasurable amount of time are somehow causing something that has been going on for over 4 billion years before we got here. And were causing this climate change with a trace gas essential for all life on Earth... Ok then.


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I for one am certain that humankind is contributing to the changes we see around us. To deny such is to fly in the face of evidence on every level. Humankind has been changing the face of the earth and creating micro-climates for a very long time - and I could give innumerable examples of this from out of history and anthropology. Every living creature changes the habitat and the atmosphere of where it lives. Simple observation demonstrates that.

But I also know that we have a very limited understanding of the global gestalt. Materialistic science is particularly hampered by it's mechanistic model of nature. What are the consequences of pumping oil out of the earth? Or of fracking? Or of cutting down rain forests? We don't really know - but we can make educated guesses - which is, after all, the definition of science. We are very far from understanding the balance of the earth - and the counter-measures it deploys when imbalance is created. The system alters faster than we can account for all the parameters shifting. We don't know what the 'balance' is actually - science is a stab in the dark, in many ways, but there are some good bread-crumb trails for the canny eye - and good scientists learn from their mistakes.

Because we can't know for certain that our educated guesses are in all respects 100% accurate, we approximate and proceed from there. Railing at those who can't account for all the variables in a global system as mysterious as the living earth is the railing of the adolescent against the perceived imperfections of the adult. (Not that the scientist is the adult in this metaphor). My point being is that everyone is trying to figure the world out - trying to make sense of the consequences of the actions so many engage in without a group vote.

Scientists are us - they are not possessed of any more insight than anyone else. They are not authorities - though so many see them as that and make of them 'gods'. An adequate scientific training teaches one to be careful with one's conclusions, then judgments and eventual formed concepts. Railing at one person in 1987 that made one 'afraid' is more an indication of one's own lack of intellectual sophistication. As though one person's passion colors the whole spectrum red - no. One scientist is one person who is entitled to their opinion and one journalist is one person who says - look at this unusual thought here someone is thinking, what do you think? It's human nature.

Fear is a choice. If we have one absolute freedom in this on-going debate of freedom - it is that we are free in how we react. One man's passion is not a conspiracy to make you afraid. It is simply one man's passion - articulated with all the vividness of the lover for one's beloved. That's how people are with their thoughts - and their pet theories. How such theories get folded into economics and what-all is a study in human nature. The complexity and genius of true prescience is far beyond manipulation. So many conspiracists assume a level of genius in others that is never evident in the everyday thinking of the common man - yet we are urged to believe in such genius. It doesn't exist. The startling truth is that everyone - rich man, poor man, beggerman, thief - live their lives in a daily struggle, never certain of the outcome - how a choice will 'play out. The only certainty is human nature - and those who rise above human nature.
 
I for one am certain that humankind is contributing to the changes we see around us. To deny such is to fly in the face of evidence on every level. Humankind has been changing the face of the earth and creating micro-climates for a very long time - and I could give innumerable examples of this from out of history and anthropology. Every living creature changes the habitat and the atmosphere of where it lives. Simple observation demonstrates that.

But I also know that we have a very limited understanding of the global gestalt. Materialistic science is particularly hampered by it's mechanistic model of nature. What are the consequences of pumping oil out of the earth? Or of fracking? Or of cutting down rain forests? We don't really know - but we can make educated guesses - which is, after all, the definition of science. We are very far from understanding the balance of the earth - and the counter-measures it deploys when imbalance is created. The system alters faster than we can account for all the parameters shifting. We don't know what the 'balance' is actually - science is a stab in the dark, in many ways, but there are some good bread-crumb trails for the canny eye - and good scientists learn from their mistakes.

Because we can't know for certain that our educated guesses are in all respects 100% accurate, we approximate and proceed from there. Railing at those who can't account for all the variables in a global system as mysterious as the living earth is the railing of the adolescent against the perceived imperfections of the adult. (Not that the scientist is the adult in this metaphor). My point being is that everyone is trying to figure the world out - trying to make sense of the consequences of the actions so many engage in without a group vote.

Scientists are us - they are not possessed of any more insight than anyone else. They are not authorities - though so many see them as that and make of them 'gods'. An adequate scientific training teaches one to be careful with one's conclusions, then judgments and eventual formed concepts. Railing at one person in 1987 that made one 'afraid' is more an indication of one's own lack of intellectual sophistication. As though one person's passion colors the whole spectrum red - no. One scientist is one person who is entitled to their opinion and one journalist is one person who says - look at this unusual thought here someone is thinking, what do you think? It's human nature.

Fear is a choice. If we have one absolute freedom in this on-going debate of freedom - it is that we are free in how we react. One man's passion is not a conspiracy to make you afraid. It is simply one man's passion - articulated with all the vividness of the lover for one's beloved. That's how people are with their thoughts - and their pet theories. How such theories get folded into economics and what-all is a study in human nature. The complexity and genius of true prescience is far beyond manipulation. So many conspiracists assume a level of genius in others that is never evident in the everyday thinking of the common man - yet we are urged to believe in such genius. It doesn't exist. The startling truth is that everyone - rich man, poor man, beggerman, thief - live their lives in a daily struggle, never certain of the outcome - how a choice will 'play out. The only certainty is human nature - and those who rise above human nature.
Thank you, Tyger, for taking the time to write a thoughtful reply!
 
Much to learn?! Oh please. This is starting to move past sad and into more obvious spaces. If you left this thread reason would prevail and reasonable people could engage in a more nuanced discussion around an important, global topic that is complicated and requires real academic material to work with.

So far your contributions have been: 1) insults 2) inane, empty one liner pieces of rhetoric 3) claims that everyone else is ignorant and needs to be educated by your fringe, pro-oil bunk 4) an absolute inability to respond to the basic critcisms of #3. If that's all you can provide and are unable to respond to critiques without resorting to tactics 1-4 then yes, please, exit stage left.

What's interesting for me is that just some simple, basic research of climate change provides ample evidence of a human created crisis that is repeated by mainstream, independent and academic media worldwide. It's not fringy, inaccurate, billionaire sponsored drivel or cherry picked pseudo science. It's not sponsored by some mythic global warming conspiracy cartel. It's a cross section of what reaonable journalists, scientists and academic institutions are talking about. For example:

Official prophecy of doom: Global warming will cause widespread conflict, displace millions of people and devastate the global economy - Climate Change - Environment - The Independent

Climate Change: News - Long-term warming likely to be significant despite recent slowdown

The frozen truth about glaciers, climate change and our future -- ScienceDaily

Climate change will reduce crops sooner than expected, says study - Technology & Science - CBC News

Global warming melts last stable edge of Greenland's Zachariae ice stream, scientists say - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/science/scientists-sound-alarm-on-climate.html?_r=0

The material below is an excerpt from the above link and it provides what I would describe to be balanced look at the problem...


alot of effort went into that reply, but again it is very simple, 1978 to 1998 1 degree rise in global temperature, 98 to 2014 no rise.

that's NOT global warming.


The report warns that the effects of human emissions of heat-trapping gases are already being felt, that the ultimate consequences could be dire, and that the window to do something about it is closing.

“The evidence is overwhelming: Levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are rising,” says the report. “Temperatures are going up. Springs are arriving earlier. Ice sheets are melting. Sea level is rising. The patterns of rainfall and drought are changing. Heat waves are getting worse, as is extreme precipitation. The oceans are acidifying.”

In a sense, this is just one more report about global warming in a string going back decades. For anybody who was already paying attention, the report contains no new science. But the language in the 18-page report, called “What We Know,” is sharper, clearer and more accessible than perhaps anything the scientific community has put out to date.

And the association does not plan to stop with the report. The group, with a membership of 121,200 scientists and science supporters around the world, plans a broad outreach campaign to put forward accurate information in simple language.

The scientists are essentially trying to use their powers of persuasion to cut through public confusion over this issue.
[and secure another decades income].

Polls show that most Americans are at least somewhat worried about global warming. But people generally do not understand that the problem is urgent — that the fate of future generations (not necessarily that far in the future) is being determined by emission levels now. Moreover, the average citizen tends to think there is more scientific debate about the basics than there really is.

The report emphasizes that the experts have come to a consensus, with only a few dissenters. “Based on well-established evidence, about 97 percent of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening,” it says.

That is not the same as claiming that all questions about climate change have been answered. In fact, enormous questions, remain, and the science of global warming entails a robust, evolving discussion.
 
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Lets not forget the "97%" figure is contrived. It is not even close to that percentage.


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