Thoughts on conscience, entities, ufos plus AYAHUASCA

[Ufocurious]

Ayahuasca: 3rd session
We were only 5 people and the padrinho. He had to work hard because he was alone doing all the work.
This time I brought my beach chair so I could rest my head. It worked beautifully. I was completely relaxed on the chair. On the plastic chairs available there I have to keep my head straight and consequently cannot relax properly.
The Ayahuasca was very disgusting to drink. Thick and horrible. They told me it was the Honey Ayahuasca, which has its name because it is thicker and supposedly more potent.
Again, it took a while for the force to arrive, but when it came, it was strong.
The catalyst was an native song with rattle sounds. The padrinho started to play along just beside me. It was amazing.
I felt as if there was indians doing a cure ritual above me. My whole body was vibrating with the force. And at the same time I felt floating and immersed in a sea of happiness.
Then I felt the presence of Mother Ayahuasca. I didn't "see" her, but I knew she was in front of me supervising the cure ritual. She spoke telepathically welcoming me in her realm.
Then I was just in this state of absolute comfort being embraced by the force.
I did feel and imagined a little snake dancing at the base of my spine. It felt like a tickle. If you read my posts, you know I believe in chakras. Therefore I got concerned if my Kundalini was trying to wake up. Since I was not ready for that I told her to be quiet, and quiet she became.
I just stayed there feeling good and listening to the songs. The songs at time were about the force and how it can cure and help us. It has a positive hypnotic value.

Then it was time for the second cup (1 1/2 hour later). I gagged a little so horrible the taste was. I ate a bunch of apple slices to take the taste out of my mouth.
The DMT effect got stronger but I chose not let the visuals command my experience. I felt it was a session to feel. If I wanted I could open my eyes and look outside and a tree could become a green entity if , like these,



but I said no, I won't give into the DMT visions this time, and the entity became a tree again.
Then Umbanda music started with loud Afro drums. I din't like it. The funny thing is that I appreciate Umbanda as a folkloric thing. It is just not right for my spiritual work.I am a classical music kind of person. Afro is not my egregora, I guess. So my experience was ruined. The DMT made me imagine these stick people with round head dancing like in a trance.

I couldn't shake it off. I called Mama Aya to save me, and I imagined her embracing me. There was another woman with us. My guardian angel? My higher self? I don't remember. The three of us were in one spot filled with bright light. I still could sense the stick figures dancing in the dark in another part of the room. I was safe from it. Mama Ayahuasca told me I should move on and do my rituals in another place in which there is not much Afro stuff. My time there was over. I should go to this woman who owns another shamanic center in town. (this is all me telling what I should do to avoid Afro stuff)
I opened my eyes and started to send telepathically messages to padrinho to change the music. It did not work.
I got up, went to the bathroom to expel the Ayahuasca from my body.
I came back to my chair and I decided to play with the visuals.
I looked outside and wisps of trees at the mountain top became shadow figures of alligators dance/fighting. I shook it off, stated it was the DMT and they became trees again.
Padrinho M. was working hard. He would play drums, go check the computer, rekindle the fire, take care of the guy who kept going outside. The funny thing is that the DMT would make me see him doing everything is a fast pace and he walked like a cartoon character, in tiny steps. His face would change to a a mask like. All very weird. The same would happen to the guy sitting on the other side of the fire. He looked orange and cartoon like. Furthermore the perspective was skewed. Nothing scary because I knew it was the DMT. I also kept looking at the pictures of Jesus and they moved. Until I got fed up that the music would not change and I went to bed. Just a this point Padrinho put a meditation on the sound system. I tried to follow, but fell asleep.
Next morning I woke up fine and full of energy.

Conclusions: Ayahuasca is not for the people that easily believe in anything. It is easy to get fascinated by the whole thing.
If it was not for my real spiritual experiences and lucid dreaming, I could easily fall for it.

One person told me if I don't believe in the Ayahuasca it won't show me its secret.
Well, I believe in the Ayahuasca, even in the Mama. But for now, it is still a conscious dream. No spiritual secrets. Only my higher self talking to me. and maybe Mama Ayahuasca
Maybe in the future it will change. I don't know. All I know my next Ayahuasca experience will be somewhere else. I have to look for my tribe.

 

[Ufocurious]

I am still waiting to have a bad trip on Ayahuasca.
I asked the people there if we can shake it off by simply opening our eyes. They said sometimes. Oooops.
Am I ready for that?
I think so.
But so far it has been all positive.
Last night I did more research on Ayahuasca and I think I agree with this guy: Dr. Draulio Araujo. I have to listen to his interviews. The best bit on him in English is this:

Dráulio Barros de Araújo, a neuroscientist at the Brain Institute at the Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte in Brazil, presented new findings from an fMRI brain scan study with 10 experienced ayahuasca users, followers of Santo Daime, a spiritual practice that uses the brew.

Araújo’s team found that ayahuasca reduces neural activity in something called the default mode network, an web of interconnected brain regions that fire up whenever people aren’t focused on any specific task. It’s active when people daydream or let their minds wander, for example.

The default mode network has been a hot topic in neuroscience in recent years. Scientists don’t really know what it does, but they love to speculate. One interpretation is that activity in this network may represent what we experience as our internal monologue and may help generate our sense of self.

 

[fastwalker]

Slow down "fastwalker," smell the coffee and then give us your appraisals of the roses. Thanx 4 your admonishment & 4 sharing your experience (?) You do not pollute our path w/ your truly heart-felt, real experiences—unless that is what you wish (?) Only you know how these "experiences" truly unfolded, and, if so, who are we to judge(?)

Thank you, for your kind words and advice.

 

[Ufocurious]

I'm trying to stay neutral on the "to experience" or "not to experience" issue. I regard it as purely a matter of personal choice. I therefore take seriously what those on both sides of the fence have to say. Staying judgmentally neutral while asking questions and trading opinions about the relationship of entheogens and consciousness, as I am trying to do, can be a tricky business. But the last thing needed here is ethical judgement because it offers only heat and no light, so to speak.

Nicely said. Thanks!

 

[Ufocurious]

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First of all I want to say I want each of us to follow our own paths and my post was to only to let you know my own experience was not so great so be careful. I will not pollute your path with my experiences which was mostly with acid and shrooms, I was going to start peyote but things were getting out of control time to stop. I will share a light hearted experience the only one I had. I was spending the day at the lake with other friends dropping acid and I kept hearing voices from the lake that somehow seemed like a ocean now so I went swimming to hear the voices better (incredibly stupid swimming on acid) turns out they were the 'Blue people' who were very dolphin like in their appearance, they told me all sorts of wonderful things especially when to surface and breathe, eventually they told me to swim back to shore and talk to the 'Ant people' who somehow shrunk me down to their size and took me on a fabulous adventure in their world...It was almost a cartoon like experience, one of my earliest ones that pressed me forward. Enough said, peace and good journey to all of you, no matter what path you choose...

Thanks for sharing.
I would love to meet the "Blue People."

 

[Psychedelic_Alchemist]

I am still waiting to have a bad trip on Ayahuasca.
I asked the people there if we can shake it off by simply opening our eyes. They said sometimes. Oooops.
Am I ready for that?
I think so.
But so far it has been all positive.
Last night I did more research on Ayahuasca and I think I agree with this guy: Dr. Draulio Araujo. I have to listen to his interviews. The best bit on him in English is this:

Dráulio Barros de Araújo, a neuroscientist at the Brain Institute at the Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte in Brazil, presented new findings from an fMRI brain scan study with 10 experienced ayahuasca users, followers of Santo Daime, a spiritual practice that uses the brew.

Araújo’s team found that ayahuasca reduces neural activity in something called the default mode network, an web of interconnected brain regions that fire up whenever people aren’t focused on any specific task. It’s active when people daydream or let their minds wander, for example.

The default mode network has been a hot topic in neuroscience in recent years. Scientists don’t really know what it does, but they love to speculate. One interpretation is that activity in this network may represent what we experience as our internal monologue and may help generate our sense of self.

I had a pretty rough experience during my second ceremony in Peru. I think it was partly due to my apprehension of the whole experience, and I was really concerned about shitting myself since I'd heard all the stories of people having diarrhea. I had the distinct impression on two separate occasions during the ceremony that I'd shit myself, but when I checked I noticed that I hadn't. Then I felt my stomach move and realized it was time to make a run for the bathroom quick sharp. I tried to signal the helper by flashing my torch but he never came, so rather than wait and risk soiling my pants I decided to get up and make my way through the dark to the exit. As soon as I got up I felt like I was incredibly drunk, and had a hard time standing let alone trying to walk. Eventually I made it almost to the door before my body became paralyzed and I collapsed into a heap on the floor. Instinctively my arms flung forward to protect my head so I didn't do any damage to myself when I hit the ground. When the helper came back around he found me lying in a crumpled heap and inquired as to what I was doing there. Eventually he was able to help me up, and just as he did so I vomited violently into a bucket that he had the good sense to fling in front of me just in time. As I was vomiting I heard a kind of evil laughter and saw grotesque skulls and faces flash across my vision. At first I thought it was the helper laughing at me, but it wasn't. I eventually made it down to the bathroom where I was able to clear out my bowels of the most foul-smelling filth I've ever seen come out of me in my life. Then I began to drift in and out of normal waking consciousness and saw lots of bright colors, geometric shapes, and had the profound sense that I was dying. It all happened so fast that I can't really remember anything of what I saw, but I remember thinking sorry for my family because they would have to pay for the costs of shipping my dead body back home. It was all so bizarre. I must have been in the bathroom for a good 20-30mins overall, until one of the facilitators came and told me it was time to wrap it up and head back into the maloka. Upon exiting the bathroom and making my way up the stairs I vomited again. When I finally made it back to the mat, I collapsed into a heap with the sick bucket in one hand and curled up into a fetal position and prayed that it would all end. The icaros were going right through me and making me feel even more tense. Gradually the ceremony came to a close and I began to feel better little by little. The next day I was fine, but slightly shaken by the whole experience. I was ready to throw in the towel and walk away, but after some reflection decided that I would see it through to the end. I had good reasons and intentions for being there and was not ready to just give it all up after one bad experience. I'm glad that I stuck it through. All my other experiences were much better even though I vomited on the odd occasion. You never quite know what you're going to get. Oftentimes it's not what you expect. But whenever I've asked Mother Ayahuasca to go easy on me, she has. Make of that what you will.

 

[Psychedelic_Alchemist]

"These medicines have an incredible potential for healing. There’s so much else as well. I’ve been involved with Ayahuasca since 2003. I began to drink it as a research project, as a matter of fact, because I was starting work on my book Supernatural, which concerns shamanism and altered states of consciousness. I’ve always believed I have to experience what I’m writing about, so I went down to the Amazon and had my first eleven sessions with Ayahuasca. After that, it stopped being research and became a regular spiritual exercise for me. I’ve continued to drink Ayahuasca and every year I try to set aside a two-week period where I have five sessions of Ayahuasca because I’ve found it incredibly helpful in encouraging me to pay attention to important issues in my own life. Ayahuasca helped teach me, I hope, to be a better, more nurturing, more thoughtful person than I used to be. I’ve received some severe kickings from Mother Ayahuasca to drive home her point, and I’ve taken those lessons to heart. It’s very difficult to change a lifetime of bad habits but Ayahuasca gives us the opportunity to recognize what we need to fix. The rest is up to us."

Graham Hancock: Ancient Aliens, Atlantis & Ayahuasca

 

[Ufocurious]

I was really concerned about shitting myself since I'd heard all the stories of people having diarrhea.

The main reason I probably delayed so much doing Ayahuasca.
And ours fears are not unfounded.
In Brazil, the Ayahuasca can only be made with the vine and chacruna. It has been prohibited to add anything else, so the chances of that happening are somewhat diminished.
I have heard of a story that happened this year with my friend's brother in Sao Paulo. His shamanic center brings a Peruvian shaman once a year to do healing sessions. In the last one, when her brother opened his eyes to go to the bathroom, he saw that the line was huge. So he darted outside, but he fell on the ground. He could not walk. He started to crawl towards outside, but he had no time. He was mad! He complained to the Shaman who laughed and asked: Didn't you want cure? And it was the most powerful session her brother has ever had.
We girls decided that we will go next time, but we will wear diapers.
Now, how come it all happened at the same time? It was the ritual, or something added to the brew? We don't know. But Ayahuasca in Peru is known to have extra plants.
I have not vomited once, but I go to the bathroom once or twice. Therefore I am in the dangerous group of going on my pants.

 

[Ufocurious]

"These medicines have an incredible potential for healing. There’s so much else as well. I’ve been involved with Ayahuasca since 2003. I began to drink it as a research project, as a matter of fact, because I was starting work on my book Supernatural, which concerns shamanism and altered states of consciousness. I’ve always believed I have to experience what I’m writing about, so I went down to the Amazon and had my first eleven sessions with Ayahuasca. After that, it stopped being research and became a regular spiritual exercise for me. I’ve continued to drink Ayahuasca and every year I try to set aside a two-week period where I have five sessions of Ayahuasca because I’ve found it incredibly helpful in encouraging me to pay attention to important issues in my own life. Ayahuasca helped teach me, I hope, to be a better, more nurturing, more thoughtful person than I used to be. I’ve received some severe kickings from Mother Ayahuasca to drive home her point, and I’ve taken those lessons to heart. It’s very difficult to change a lifetime of bad habits but Ayahuasca gives us the opportunity to recognize what we need to fix. The rest is up to us."

Graham Hancock: Ancient Aliens, Atlantis & Ayahuasca

It just happens the 2 week retreat Graham Hancock mentions is a 20 min drive from my house.
Wasiwaska
I am entertaining the idea of going in one of the retreats in the future. However it is expensive for my shallow pocket.
I am planning to contact Eduardo Luna if my research/experiment gets deeper. I may even try to volunteer as a subject in other people's research.
I am really getting the feeling there is much healing that can be achieved through Ayahuasca if done in a thoughtful manner. My "problem" with Ayahuasca in Brazil is the connection with religions: Santo Daime, UDV, and Barquinha. The shamanic centers are a nice alternative, but still, there is much new age and syncretism. I have a big problem with religions, and a bigger one with the people that run them.

 

[Randall]

I had a pretty rough experience during my second ceremony in Peru ...

If a person ( not specifically you ) is so messed up that they can't tell whether or not they've crapped themselves, and thinks it's cool to poison themself to the point of vomiting, then I suggest that it's reasonable to suggest that perhaps they're not acting responsibly with respect to their health, and while it can be argued that people should have the right to act irresponsibly, there is no question that if we care about the well being of our fellow humans, we should also have the right to encourage them to make better choices. Take an adult education course at your local college or university. Join a fitness club. Take up dancing. There must be hundreds of better ways that one can spend their time than crapping their pants, barfing, and wondering if they're going to survive their drug trip.

"These medicines have an incredible potential for healing ..."

These drugs also have the potential for making you really sick ( which you found out from personal experience ).

A fatal intoxication following the ingestion of 5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine in an ayahuasca preparation
Sklerov J1, Levine B, Moore KA, King T, Fowler D. | 1 Division of Forensic Toxicology,
Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner, 1413 Research Blvd., Rockville, Maryland 20850, USA.

Abstract:

A case of a 25-year-old white male who was found dead the morning after consuming herbal extracts containing beta-carbolines and hallucinogenic tryptamines is presented. No anatomic cause of death was found at autopsy. Toxicologic analysis of the heart blood identified N,N-dimethyltryptamine (0.02 mg/L), 5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine (1.88 mg/L), tetrahydroharmine (0.38 mg/L), harmaline (0.07 mg/L), and harmine (0.17 mg/L). All substances were extracted by a single-step n-butyl chloride extraction following alkalinization with borate buffer. Detection and quantitation was performed using liquid chromatography-electrospray mass spectrometry. The medical examiner ruled that the cause of death was hallucinogenic amine intoxication, and the manner of death was undetermined. ( source )

 

[Ufocurious]

ADemand for Clarity Regarding aCase
Report on the Ingestion of S-Methoxy-N,
N-Dimethyltryptamine (S-MeO·DMT) in
an Ayahuasca Preparation
To the Editor:
The case report "A Fatal Intoxication Following theIngestion of5-Methoxy-N,N-Dimethyltryptamine in
anAyahuasca Preparation" by Sklerov et al. (1)ismisleading asto the nature and toxicity ofayahuasca.
The authors ofthearticle state that: "the decedent ingested a preparation from a South American tree
bark 'ooasca' (sic) and approximately 4 h later ingested tryptamines" (p 839). However, elsewhere inthe
article they assert thatthis isa case of"administration ofanayahuasca-like preparation containing 5-
MeO-DMT" (p 838, italics added) and further, that"this isthe only reported case ofdeath following
ingestion ofhallucinogenic tryptamines contained inanayahuasca preparation" (p 841, italics added). The
article's title also purports thatthis isa case of"5-Methoxy-N,N-Dimethyltryptamine inanAyahuasca
Preparation" (italics added).
It ishighly improbable thatthelevels of5-MeO-DMT found inthedecedent's heart blood came from (or
was "in") a plant-based preparation similar to theayahuasca medicine/sacrament used for centuries by
indigenous healers oftheAmazon regions ofSouth America. Because there isnoknown plant or animal
source thatwould provide such a large amount 5-MeO-DMT, we believe thedecedent must have ingested
synthetic material. "Ayahuasca" refers todecoctions made from Banisteriopsis caapi and usually other
admixture plants. One ofthese, Diplopterys cabrerana, does contain trace amounts of5-MeO-DMT. The
most common ayahuasca admixture, however, isPsychotria oiridis, which like B. caapi, does notcontain
5-MeO-DMT. It isnotclear from the evidence presented which admixtures might have been intheherbal
preparation, butthedisproportionately high level of5-MeO-DMT reported inthedecedent's heart blood
(1.88 mglL) suggests thatsynthetic 5-MeO-DMT was taken subsequent toa more traditional herbal
preparation. This point isnotinsignificant, as5-MeO-DMT isfar more potent thanitsanalogue DMT, and
a confusion between thetwo could have been thecause ofanunintentional overdose oftheformer,
particularly incombination with potentiating beta-carbolines. Most salient, however, isthatthere isno
evidence thatthe5-MeO-DMT ingested by thedecedent was "in" (i.e., a constituent 00 anything
resembling a traditional ayahuasca brew orthathis death from "hallucinogenic amine intoxication" can in
any way be attributed toayahuasca per se, asa superficial or uninformed reading ofthearticle insinuates.
Anumber ofimportant details, towhich theauthors may have been privy butare notreported oninthe
article, could help tosettherecord straight onthis matter. What exactly was theherbal "ooasca"
preparation made from? What were the"tryptamines" taken 4 h after the"ooasca" herbal preparation? Is
there any estimation ofthequantity oftryptamine taken 4 h after the"ooasca" preparation? (The ratio of
5-MeO-DMT totheother psychoactive alkaloids found in the decedent's heart blood isgrossly
disproportional). Answers to these questions would provide clarity about the nature ofthis particular case
and thegeneralizations thatmay be extended from it.
This clarification isimportant, asreaders may otherwise make unwarranted inferences about the
toxicity and harmfulness of ayahuasca. Anthropological (and growing contemporary scientific) evidence
suggests thecontrary: ayahuasca has long been revered asa traditional therapeutic agent over a large
geographical region and throughout awide variety ofcultures, and it arguably deserves more attention
from modern medical researchers and clinical practitioners. Furthermore, scientific information and
analysis played a crucial role ina recent United States Supreme Court case involving the legality of
ceremonial ayahuasca use under theReligious Freedom Restoration Act. Misleading aspects ofthecase
report by Sklerov et al. (1)could influence future legal decisions on this matter intheUnited States and
inother countries, should they be considered ontheirsuperficial merits. Moreover, scientific and
intellectual integrity demand clarity onthiscomplex issue.

The Authors' Reply:
The authors appreciate thecareful reading and attention paid to thecase report by Drs. Callaway et aI.,
and we agree thatadditional information regarding thecircumstances oftheoverdose would provide
clarification. Unfortunately thecomposition, dosage, and precise dosing timeframe for thedrugs inthis
case areunknown. Had they been available, they would have been included inthemanuscript.
As to thesource ofthe5-MeO-DMT, we arenotprepared tospeculate whether itwas solely present in
any "ooasca" preparations described inthe investigation case notes orsolely administered in synthetic
form, asproposed by Dr. Callaway et al. Both scenarios deserve consideration, and we do notrule out
either ora combined source based onthecollected data.
We agree with Dr. Callaway and colleagues thatAyahuasca deserves more attention. Through the
presentation ofthis case, we hope to ensure thatattention ispaid through legitimate study rather than
additional toxicity reports.

 

[Randall]

A Demand for Clarity Regarding aCase ...

I think you make a number of valid points, but I don't think that in a general sense, it nullifies the position that there are risks to getting involved. Just the fact that the risks can be minimized indicates that there are risks, and with two references now to deaths caused by getting involved, regardless of the specifics, it would be irresponsible of me not to show some level of concern. At least you can be confident that your straight friends who truly care about you don't feel that way because of the residual effect of a drug trip. They are the really valuable ones. I wonder how many drug culture people out there who decided to get out of it suddenly found that 99% of the people who they thought were friends, were no longer interested in hanging out with them?

 

[Constance]

Anthropological (and growing contemporary scientific) evidence
suggests the contrary: ayahuasca has long been revered as a traditional therapeutic agent over a large
geographical region and throughout a wide variety of cultures, and it arguably deserves more attention
from modern medical researchers and clinical practitioners. Furthermore, scientific information and
analysis played a crucial role in a recent United States Supreme Court case involving the legality of
ceremonial ayahuasca use under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

All good points, ufocurious. On the bright side, it does appear that increasing medical research is being applied to ayahuasca and other entheogens, which is no doubt a response to the fact that increasing numbers of people are interested enough in its spiritual properties to travel great distances to try it. I don't doubt these people's sincerity given the extremely unpleasant side effects they are willing to undergo repeatedly. It is an issue of the freedom of individuals to pursue personal and communal values that are significant to them. What was the decision handed down in the US Supreme Court case you mentioned?

it would be irresponsible of me not to show some level of concern. At least you can be confident that your straight friends who truly care about you don't feel that way because of the residual effect of a drug trip. They are the really valuable ones. I wonder how many drug culture people out there who decided to get out of it suddenly found that 99% of the people who they thought were friends, were no longer interested in hanging out with them?

Yes, ufology, we know that you are 'concerned' about the use of ayahuasca and feel a great weight of 'responsibility' to speak out against it. But by now there must be nothing more you can add to your campaign to change people's minds about it here. I am not a gambling woman but I would lay odds (is that gambling speak?) that you were the head hall monitor throughout grade school and probably also through high school.

 

[Polterwurst]

The honeybadger don't care.

 

[Randall]

Yes, ufology, we know that you are 'concerned' about the use of ayahuasca and feel a great weight of 'responsibility' to speak out against it. But by now there must be nothing more you can add to your campaign to change people's minds about it here. I am not a gambling woman but I would lay odds (is that gambling speak?) that you were the head hall monitor throughout grade school and probably also through high school.

Actually I was a bit of a rebel in school, and if other people can continue to repeat their points or provide counterpoint to mine, then I should be able to respond to them in kind, not because I'm trying to control their behavior, but if nothing else, am providing an alternative point of view for the readership. After all, I appear to be alone in trying to bring some balance to this public pro-drug culture discussion, and I would think that anyone so open minded as to venture into the land of mind altering drugs, would be equally open to all reasonable points of view.

 

[SRL+]

The honeybadger don't care.

?
Randall's Honey Badger Don't Care

 

[Randall]

?Randall's Honey Badger Don't Care

That is hilarious LOL ... ( well the first time around anyway ). I've seen the real documentary too BTW. If the link didn't work for others. I'm presuming you meant this one: www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg ( original narration by Randall ). They're amazing little creatures.

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

Science and Sacraments: Psychedelic Research and Mystical Experiences

Watch this and learn something Randall. YOU have obviously fallen prey to biased media-programming of fear around this topic. Perhaps this well-produced piece will open you up a bit and temper your paranoia concerning proper psychotropical use.

 

[Wade]

@Randall, I don't really consider myself pro drug, as much as I do pro choice. At least as far as DMT is concerned, there are certainly more destructive drugs around and as I mentioned earlier ANY THING innoculous (including legal drugs) can be mis-used in the wrong hands. I've had plenty of chances to partake but never did so, even something as mild as marijuana...well once or twice maybe... and I am pretty ambivalent about all those "medicinal" marijuanna popping up all over Los Angeles. (Let's call them what they really are head shops/pot joints)

But as far as I am concerned anything included in nature has a purpose, it's just up to man and animal to find that out. As far as the vine that DMT is made from, if someone can convince me that DMT is used as a toxic pesticide to ward off insects or to take over an area i.e. kill off other species or that it's use is to give insects a head trip I would have to ask why is it there, I believe that nothing evolves accidently there is a reason in nature for it.( I believe it is found in the secretions of the Sonoran Desert Frog which would lend credence to the self defenses possibility)

As far as hallucogens getting mixed up in UFOlogy I can certainly sympathize with your concerns but I'm more of a curious open minded explorer than a pragmatic and i am definitely more psychologically oriented than nuts and bolts oriented, so I don't have a big concern about drugs getting mixed up in UFOlogy but I'm not necessarily going to drop any cannabis, DMT or salvia (which is very legal and can have just as much psychological impact as other illegal drugs can.. I've witnessed some salvia trips and seen they can be just as jarring)

 

[Vimana]

Hi ufocurious.

I have been researching aya as much as I can, and have other plant allies. I am very interested in your work down there. I had a chance to do aya here in the states and I'm waiting for the setting to be right. Some on these forums are compelled to poop in the soup, so to say, and I recommend not posting your spiritual stuff here. It will not be understood by the loudest of opinions in this forum. Chris OB is one exception, and Micah Hanks if he hangs out here. There are many scared folks who will... Oh wait they already posted.

Love and light,