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tommyball said:
What happened to UFO Hunters SciFi? This week was a rerun and there are not any future episodes listed on the on-screen guide. Hmmmm.

-t.
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Uhhh, yes. A rerun already?? I'm not sure what thread to talk about these shows in. Either way I'm terribly unimpressed.

What the hell is Birnes doing in this show? He keeps saying stuff like "Look we are bringing in SCIENCE to Ufology". The guy with the goatee says some ridiculous stuff and I think if the camera was pointed at him long enough, he would just bust out laughing at the nature of his "lines". I didn't think UFO Files was very good either, but this show is a joke so far. Someone used the acronym THC to refer to this show (The History Channel) and I know it may take a lot of THC (NOT the history channel) for me to continue watching.

The SCi-Fi show was a bit better, .... I guess (if I have to pick). But where is it this week?? If the SciFi can't compete with THC then it must be even more abyssmal. Ahhhh geeez. OK done with rant, .. for now.
 
I've seen both episodes of the show so far.

Needless to say I was less than impressed. Everything has been inconclusive.

Then again... so is the other show on Sci-Fi. Ghost hunters international is just as sad.
 
Well, I think it is a fresh approach to the topic. Inconclusive though it may be, it is a series that has so far examined some lesser known cases and I think that bringing those cases to the forefront instead of the annual Roswell re-visitations that the cable documentary channels usually churn out can do the ufology field some good.

-t.
 
Here's episode guides for both:
http://www.history.com/minisite.do?content_type=Minisite_Generic&content_type_id=57835&display_order=4&mini_id=57826
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_Hunters_%28The_History_Channel%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_Hunters_%28Sci_Fi_Channel%29
 
Miah said:
Here's episode guides for both:
http://www.history.com/minisite.do?content_type=Minisite_Generic&content_type_id=57835&display_order=4&mini_id=57826
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_Hunters_%28The_History_Channel%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_Hunters_%28Sci_Fi_Channel%29
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I'm not finding any type of episode list for SciFi. Is this the right link?? I can't even view one on the SciFi site.
 
Okay, tonight's episode was about alien implants.

It turns out this one skinny dude lost a bunch of weight due to what he purports to be heavy metal poisoning. Now I myself know a little bit about this as a person who casts bronze.

The thing turned out to be some piece of organic Iron. People from time to time can have pockets of minerals deposited in funny places on the body. Calcium, and iron both do this if you have a mineral rich diet.

The only peculiar thing about this guy's deal was that it was under the skin and the body had formed some kind of connective tissue to it. Typically it becomes a cyst, and the body either expels it, or encapsulates it.

It gave off a radio signal, and all that stuff. Where things left the road, is that they apparently lacked the imagination to figure out why the thing gave off a signal.

Here's a very simple and logical idea of why it would do such a thing.

Your body has its own ambient electrical field. Metal reacts to that in funny ways. Now imagine if this thing had a nerve connected to it, literally powering it. Of course it would go dead the second you removed it. The notion that some alien would tell it to turn off was retarded.

As nifty as all the toys were in the investigation of the thing, the people who are actually doing some of the investigation have absolutely no imagination as to the whys and hows. They do not hypothesize and then validate, they just see what's there.

Form follows function in nearly every thing we know. You can have an organic looking device be innocuous on the surface, but what if the thing is engineered on the molecular level? What if it's powered by your own bioelectrical current found in a nerve?

How about asking some of THOSE questions, as opposed to the "Uh.... I don't know." nonsense.
 
Dr. Lier was also on the UFO Files episode "UFO Hunters" doing implant removals. You can see it here 6mins in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnJ-Z6PuWjM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba0xmgmiQK0

Lier has also been on The Paracast talking about the frequency they emit.

The thing that bothered me about this episode was that the first thing he did was put a big-ass magnet up to the device before checking for electromagnetic or radio frequencies... he prolly just created some with the magnet!

Also, why didn't they move the frequency meter close to and then away from the object to show that it was coming from the device rather than his whole body? And why didn't they check his body for the frequency right after the removal?

Finally, the object was found to be nothing special. Yet in the 2nd video above Lier says "We find that these objects contain metals which are not from this Earth". Why no meteorological tests?
 
UFO Hunters (Catalina)

While watching the Catalina Island/USO episode, one thing stuck out like a sore thumb to my wife and I. There was never any explanation of how/where Noah Felice was FOUND...they just vaguely said that he was "found" and that he "said" that the cockpit was intact and that the aliens had removed him from the plane. Okay, explain exactly what happened and tell us how you got out alive and who picked you up - was it the Coast Guard that found you floating on the water? Did you just all of a sudden appear on a dock somewhere? What?! You can't leave that part completely unexplained. Holy Mackerel, it is frustrating when people just skip HUGE details like this. This can make it either a clear hoax or a true story. Was his cousin's body ever found? Where's the police report? FAA report? Can he prove that A plane went down at all? Can he prove that his cousin was an actual person, is there an obit and a police report?
 
The History Channel forums have a decent thread where the Noah Felice guy is replying to people questioning the investigation:

http://boards.historychannel.com/thread.jspa?threadID=800036805&tstart=0&mod=1202756130624

The general gist is that the plane they found WAS Felice's, that they did not understand the exact type of plane he had and were looking for the wrong kind, that they may have purposely left a bunch of stuff hanging because they either did not find what they wanted or found Felice out to be a fake after having shot loads of tape...I still want to hear how he survived and who rescued him/where he was found and want to see pilce and faa reports, dammit!
 
/Rant on/
Last night was a bit disappointing. Birnes seems pretty eager to reach non-terrestrial conclusions from seemingly mundane indicators. Then there's the TV-grade science. A frequency counter in an unshielded environment? That's not doing much for our credibility. Then there was the thing jumping around on it's own...that was an X-ray picture we were watching, right? Meaning that there's unseen material in the picture, right? Like maybe...oh, I don't know... human tissue? And it seems to move in tandem with the clamp? "Look! It's jumping around on it's own!" What, are you high?

Seriously, is there some guy off screen that's in charge of dumbing it down enough to provide plausible deniability? Cuz that guy's doing a bang-up job. Man, I hope this show gets better...
/Rant off/
 
SnakeOil said:
Then there was the thing jumping around on it's own...that was an X-ray picture we were watching, right? Meaning that there's unseen material in the picture, right? Like maybe...oh, I don't know... human tissue? And it seems to move in tandem with the clamp? "Look! It's jumping around on it's own!" What, are you high?
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I forgot to mention that part, but yeah! I thought the same thing... They kept saying it must be moving because it's not in fluids, and it was like duhhh, it's in TISSUE, WTF!?!?
 
I'm listening to the Paracast interview with William Birnes, and he just was agreeing enthusiastically that "UFO" needs to be uncoupled from "ET"

Then why is he constantly talking about "aliens" on the UFO Hunters?
 
digigeek said:
The History Channel forums have a decent thread where the Noah Felice guy is replying to people questioning the investigation:

http://boards.historychannel.com/thread.jspa?threadID=800036805&tstart=0&mod=1202756130624

The general gist is that the plane they found WAS Felice's, that they did not understand the exact type of plane he had and were looking for the wrong kind, that they may have purposely left a bunch of stuff hanging because they either did not find what they wanted or found Felice out to be a fake after having shot loads of tape...I still want to hear how he survived and who rescued him/where he was found and want to see pilce and faa reports, dammit!
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Enjoy the report

From the FAA page:
Aircraft: PIPER PA-32, registration: N2781M

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT PILOT DATA F S M/N PURPOSE----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------3-3758 80/1/26 NR.CATALINA IS,CA PIPER PA-32 CR- 0 1 0 NONCOMMERCIAL PRIVATE, AGE 30, 200 TIME - 1330 N2781M PX- 1 0 0 PLEASURE/PERSONAL TRANSP TOTAL HOURS, 2 IN TYPE, DAMAGE-DESTROYED OT- 0 0 0 NOT INSTRUMENT RATED. DEPARTURE POINT INTENDED DESTINATION LAST ENROUTE STOP LONG BEACH,CA RETURN CATALINA ISLAND,CA TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF OPERATION COLLISION WITH GROUND/WATER: CONTROLLED IN FLIGHT: LOW PASS PROBABLE CAUSE(S) PILOT IN COMMAND - DIVERTED ATTENTION FROM OPERATION OF AIRCRAFT FACTOR(S) MISCELLANEOUS ACTS,CONDITIONS - AIRCRAFT CAME TO REST IN WATER REMARKS- PLT RPRTD SEEING A BOAT IN PSBL DISTRESS.STRUCK WTR DRG LOW PASS.
 
Well tonight is another rousing episode which should be interesting. Crash and Retrieval!

Unless it's the same episode they showed before, then it will be utter crap.

As much as I admire the enthusiasm of Bill Birnes, the show is truly superficial. It might as well be the show from the 90's called "Sightings".
 
Sightings was better, as both entertainment and as a paranormal show.

As entertainment, the idea that there really was a news show dedicated to the paranormal was very entertaining.

And in terms of a paranormal show, it highlighted cases (Skinwalker Ranch, San Luis Valley from O'Brien's work, Shag Harbor, just off the top of my head) that were interesting and were very obscure. By contrast, the History Channel show is either retreading well known cases (the Hill abduction), cases that seem to be likely frauds or misidentifications (the guy in the airplane), or have an aspect of both (Maury Island). And Sightings was edited to provide a fair amount of information per minute, whereas UFO Hunters is 90% filler like BS lab experiments that have NOTHING to do with the actual case, or people without the proper credentials doing not-even half-assed exercises for the camera (like the non-geologist diving for part of a day, in a volcanically active part of the country, to come up with a bit of "slag" that turns out to be rock, and then wasting more time in the lab playing physics to come up with the radical conclusion that a wrecked airplane will move downslope, underwater, over time).

I'd take Sightings any day of the week over this show.
 
crash and retrieval turned out to be crash an burn.They find some parts from a wrecked plane in the desert and claim ureka!!Then they find some slag that they proclaim is an "amazing and important find!".And lets not forget the two secret police(afosi no doubt)who told you absoultly nothing important and helpfull,and YET had to be hidden from the camera?!:rolleyes:The best was the pit.ya think maybe the military was dumping some crap down there in 74?And then the genuis:eek::D climbs in!=priceless.OH wait ... The emp pulse demo was another great and useless time filler.
 
SnakeOil said:
So...Gene and Dave...what's your take on all of this? (Especially since UFO Mag is a sponsor of yours)
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As far as sponsors go, we don't expect them to agree with us, and we don't expect to agree with them. That may sound like a cop-out, but it's perfectly true.

In saying that, TV shows of this sort do at times go overboard.
 
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