UFO Hunters

[SnakeOil]

No, not a cop-out, just business. But may I humbly request you get Birnes on the show again, kick him in the butt once and ask him WTF he's doing? Maybe he's right when he says that he's promoting the disclosure process by bringing attention to it, but I don't think this is the sort of attention that's going to benefit anyone around these parts. The guy's like the "anti-Shermer".

 

[digigeek]

Enjoy the report


From the FAA page:
Aircraft: PIPER PA-32, registration: N2781M

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES FLIGHT PILOT DATA F S M/N PURPOSE----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------3-3758 80/1/26 NR.CATALINA IS,CA PIPER PA-32 CR- 0 1 0 NONCOMMERCIAL PRIVATE, AGE 30, 200 TIME - 1330 N2781M PX- 1 0 0 PLEASURE/PERSONAL TRANSP TOTAL HOURS, 2 IN TYPE, DAMAGE-DESTROYED OT- 0 0 0 NOT INSTRUMENT RATED. DEPARTURE POINT INTENDED DESTINATION LAST ENROUTE STOP LONG BEACH,CA RETURN CATALINA ISLAND,CA TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF OPERATION COLLISION WITH GROUND/WATER: CONTROLLED IN FLIGHT: LOW PASS PROBABLE CAUSE(S) PILOT IN COMMAND - DIVERTED ATTENTION FROM OPERATION OF AIRCRAFT FACTOR(S) MISCELLANEOUS ACTS,CONDITIONS - AIRCRAFT CAME TO REST IN WATER REMARKS- PLT RPRTD SEEING A BOAT IN PSBL DISTRESS.STRUCK WTR DRG LOW PASS.

1) That's the same handle Noah used in the History Channel forums: aliendetective. I assume that was you, Noah?

2) Pilot reported seeing a boat in possible distress? It looks like you told them you saw a boat in distress, made a low pass to check it out, went too low, and hit the water.

3) If that was you, then why don't you just tell us right here how you got out and how you were found by authorities. I'm pretty sure I read that rescue divers went down and pulled you out through the windshield. If that s the case, then what was all the mumbo-jumbo on UFO Hunters about making sure to check the state of the windshield and belts?

Overall, the story just has too many gaps to be believed. If you were to fill them in, maybe I could form a decent opinion of it all.

This is about as absurd and frustrating as listening to Roger Clemens and his trainer on that taped phone call and wondering why Clemens never just comes out and says "I DID NOT DO IT, WHY DID YOU LIE ABOUT ME?"...he just leaves about a hundred things totally hanging and says a lot of nothing...very similar to this story.

We need a full report of what happened, how (and by whom) you were found/rescued, and what happened afterward. It's really simple. Any story of this nature should include one heck of a lot more detail than you and the show provided. It has been made to look like there was some sort of alien intervention in your rescue and then nothing more is said about it. The FAA report and other things I've read make it seem like you were rescued from the craft by divers and that the FAA and/or plice should know EXACTLY where your plane was on that day (exact location on the bottom). I just don't get all the ambiguity. I'm the Father of three children and I know all too well what is usually up when someone omits a lot of details - I smell a rat and there is usually a reason that things were left out: they would give away the truth.

Unless you provide a full description of going down and of your rescue, nobody sane will believe any of it. It's just too fishy and suspect.

I'm really disappointed that Birnes and his crew produced that show the way they did and left all that stuff hanging. I mean to state that since it was an emotional issue for you and that they were okay with that and would not "go there" is such total crap. What a load of hooey. If you want to talk about this AT ALL, then speak up and address the problems and tell us about the whole rescue and how you got out of the downed plane and show us some sort of police report...there must be one and there must be a more detailed FAA report.

 

[tommyball]

crash and retrieval turned out to be crash an burn.They find some parts from a wrecked plane in the desert and claim ureka!!Then they find some slag that they proclaim is an "amazing and important find!".And lets not forget the two secret police(afosi no doubt)who told you absoultly nothing important and helpfull,and YET had to be hidden from the camera?!The best was the pit.ya think maybe the military was dumping some crap down there in 74?And then the genuis climbs in!=priceless.OH wait ... The emp pulse demo was another great and useless time filler.

I'd have to agree with you. Aren't there enough cases out there that the show can be spent visiting sighting locations, highlighting available documents and interviewing witnesses instead of going into Mr. Wizard's lab?

 

[macavity]

Just finished watching the third episode (abductions). Actually left me feeling a little depressed, I really can't remember when I've seen anything this bad. Bill Birnes' exclamations about the object moving by itself and his closing statements about proof were just excruciating. Still, on the bright side, I won't have to waste any more time watching the rest of the series.

Sorry for the negativity...had to get it off my chest!

 

[TClaeys]

This show just perpetuates the ridiculous nature of UFO's. Not saying that the nature is ridiculous, but that this show rides the polarized view of woo-woo. The scientific experiments on the show are just a far flung tangent of little importance. It is as if showing some type of experiment will enable credibility, I guess, by mere association.

I wonder why Dr Leirs amazing piece of unearthly substance(talked about on the PC) that has only been tested by a "black" lab wasn't featured here. Undoubtedly this would have proved an ET substance found in a human body. Or it would have shown it to be this mysterious, enigmatic, supernatural-like substance called IRON.

In the recent episode, although I fell asleep, it was apparent that something happened. Certainly it did. They found a hole (wooo). They found metal debris (woooo-oo) They talked to someone who saw a fireball (WOOOOO). And then they left.

Along the way there was some commentary on the incredible Compeche sighting. You know, the flaming oil well platforms, er,... sorry the flying in perfect formation UFO's. (tired of woooing at this point)

Point being, is it too much to ask to take an unbiased centrist view at this phenomenon?? I guess when you have something to sell (UFOMag) that you are dependant on, the answer is a resounding, yet silent and hovering, YES, that is incidentally a mile across. I forgot to initiate /rant on/, but /rant off/ for now.

 

[dorkbot]

I wonder why Dr Leirs amazing piece of unearthly substance(talked about on the PC) that has only been tested by a "black" lab wasn't featured here. Undoubtedly this would have proved an ET substance found in a human body. Or it would have shown it to be this mysterious, enigmatic, supernatural-like substance called IRON.

I just watched the abductions one as well. It's as if the show is designed to make sure that no case, artifact or evidence of any kind will be presented so that a conclusion can be drawn either way. So you say you have an implant emitting a 59GHz signal? As a previous poster touched on, wouldn't this be a perfect opportunity to stick the guy in a faraday cage and demonstrate this beyond any reasonable doubt? Wouldn't this implication alone be enough to warrant close, methodical examination?

I'd have to go back and listen to Leir's show but from memory I think he was saying something about an implant or some other artifact he had that was primarily iron but comprised of an unusual isotopic ratio? This idea of artifacts having unusual isotopic ratios has been mentioned in other cases where the artifacts were essentially pure Magnesium 26 isotope, an occurrence that would be enormously difficult to account for as either natural or man made. Wouldn't this be a great opportunity to use some of the show's budget to actually examine the isotopic ratios? Or do we want to do some more scuba diving?

They have a platform and a budget but why do I suspect that the excuse will somehow involve the pressing weight of shooting schedule deadlines and such? Obviously a production schedule is more important than critical examination of alien technology.

I also enjoyed the Maury Island case where the piece of the plane that was sticking out of the ground was their "sample" and somehow oxidized aluminum from a plane wreck sitting exposed in a wet gully for 50 years might be construed as evidence of a ufo slag fire. Wow. Just wow.

If they can't even pretend to do some sort of logical analysis they need to drop the science segments entirely and just put recent witnesses on camera.

The funny thing is that my impression of Birnes from the Paracast is that he seems like a pretty cool guy who would be great to hang out with and talk about the subject. He obviously has way more than a passing familiarity with ufology's history and he has to have some sense of how he is actually coming across. I think Gene and David need to have an intervention for him or something.

 

[Ron Collins]

I wonder why Dr Leirs amazing piece of unearthly substance(talked about on the PC) that has only been tested by a "black" lab wasn't featured here. Undoubtedly this would have proved an ET substance found in a human body. Or it would have shown it to be this mysterious, enigmatic, supernatural-like substance called IRON.

I just watched the abductions one as well. It's as if the show is designed to make sure that no case, artifact or evidence of any kind will be presented so that a conclusion can be drawn either way. So you say you have an implant emitting a 59GHz signal? As a previous poster touched on, wouldn't this be a perfect opportunity to stick the guy in a faraday cage and demonstrate this beyond any reasonable doubt? Wouldn't this implication alone be enough to warrant close, methodical examination?

I'd have to go back and listen to Leir's show but from memory I think he was saying something about an implant or some other artifact he had that was primarily iron but comprised of an unusual isotopic ratio? This idea of artifacts having unusual isotopic ratios has been mentioned in other cases where the artifacts were essentially pure Magnesium 26 isotope, an occurrence that would be enormously difficult to account for as either natural or man made. Wouldn't this be a great opportunity to use some of the show's budget to actually examine the isotopic ratios? Or do we want to do some more scuba diving?

They have a platform and a budget but why do I suspect that the excuse will somehow involve the pressing weight of shooting schedule deadlines and such? Obviously a production schedule is more important than critical examination of alien technology.

I also enjoyed the Maury Island case where the piece of the plane that was sticking out of the ground was their "sample" and somehow oxidized aluminum from a plane wreck sitting exposed in a wet gully for 50 years might be construed as evidence of a ufo slag fire. Wow. Just wow.

If they can't even pretend to do some sort of logical analysis they need to drop the science segments entirely and just put recent witnesses on camera.

The funny thing is that my impression of Birnes from the Paracast is that he seems like a pretty cool guy who would be great to hang out with and talk about the subject. He obviously has way more than a passing familiarity with ufology's history and he has to have some sense of how he is actually coming across. I think Gene and David need to have an intervention for him or something.

I couldn't agree more. This show is about "Entertain them" and not about "Inform them". Bill Birnes comes off like a nutcase in the last two shows. Oh, and whats with "Boy Wonder sicence intern"? How about another real scientist? It's just a huge disappointment.

 

[Tommy Allison]

I really wanted to like this show, and I expected more, I really did.

After seeing what will be my last viewing of the show, I can't even take the other UFO Files shows seriously. The minute Bill pops on, I tune out.

If it's in the mainstream, it's lamestream, and going to be pointless to watch, let alone wade through an ocean of crap to get to that smidgen of truth.

 

[digigeek]

The Mexican crash site show was a wreck as well. So, they make a huge deal out of the bit of metal they found at the crash site - the one they suppose might be two metals smashed together by the impact/heat/etc of a collision between UFO and small airplane. They say that this thing is great proof and they can't wait for lab results. Later in the show when they reveal lab results NOTHING is said about that piece AT ALL. Whaaaaaa!!!???? My 13 year old son notices omissions like this and asks me about them and whether they are avoiding the fact that they got boring results from the test...then I say, perhaps, but if they did then why did they not also edit out the whole buildup to that piece of metal???? I mean, I just do not get it. It comes across as just really sloppy rather than a cop-out.

 

[spookyparadigm]

Looks like the Sci-Fi channel show is probably kaput. I would have at least tried watching it a few more times, vs. the awfulness of the History Channel one

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20080226/BLOG32/450508074

 

[SnakeOil]

They gotta make room for another "sci-fi" wrestling show. I weep for my species.

So.....everybody up for another Bill Birnes train wreck-o-thon? Yeah, I know it sucks. But it's the only thing on. It's easy to be the best when you're the only game in town.

"A foreign object ejected itself from my rectum today. Now, I know I didn't put it up there, so somebody else must have. Possibly alien? It's emitting an unusual aroma...could be pheromones...I think they're trying to get me to mate. Clearly some kind of genetic manipulation."

 

[Tony2013]

So it seems despite all the budget, the big names, the exposure and the marketing, the best evidence still seems to be internet talk radio shows, fringe-authors, B-market documentaries, and fuzzy home videos.

Ay caramba...

 

[pixelsmith]

why dont the hunters go to dorothy izatt's house?

 

[macavity]

Looks like the Sci-Fi channel show is probably kaput. I would have at least tried watching it a few more times, vs. the awfulness of the History Channel one

Yep, me too. The pilot wasn't great (I still find the quasi-reality type format a bit cringeworthy) but it was better than the History Channel offering.

I vote we petition Doug Hajicek to stop working on the next series of Monsterquest and do some UFO stuff instead...

 

[Tommy Allison]

Well, tonight they'll be rehashing all the military crap that we've seen already.

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I think there is a conspiracy to make the topic of UFO's palatable to morons.

There's nothing like watching a show that makes you feel smarter than the people on it.

 

[subject x]

There's nothing like watching a show that makes you feel smarter than the people on it.

At least I'm not the only one.

With the limited amount of verifiable evidence available in the field, keeping a show like this from rapidly looking silly would be a tough job. I mean, how long can a show exist with blurry-ass vids of lights in the sky and expeditions to 60 year old incident sites?

At least they haven't done an episode on the "One Armed Farmer" yet.

 

[rohnds]

Well, tonight they'll be rehashing all the military crap that we've seen already.

ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I think there is a conspiracy to make the topic of UFO's palatable to morons.

There's nothing like watching a show that makes you feel smarter than the people on it.

I am graduate with BSc in Computer Science and MS in Astrophysics and have been a member of APRO since 1991, my freshmen year in college.

I enjoyed and learned something on this particular episode (I must admit that I haven't seen all of the other episodes) and I guess that makes a maroon according you.

Two important point were brought up in this episode.
1. It seems there was another eye witness to the UFO. A guard stationed at the top of the tower. According to hault, this guard saw the UFO direct a beam at the beam nuclear weapon storage area.

2. It seems that the lighthouse have a metal plate installed that prevent the beam from being directed at the Rendlesham forest.

Rohn

 

[Siani]

UFO Hunters hasn't aired here in the UK. However, I managed to find episode 5 (about UFOs and the military) on Youtube. I haven't seen the other episodes, but found this one interesting and enjoyable. I was impressed by how they went about disproving the lighthouse theory (that much-touted but inadequate explanation of the UFO seen at Rendlesham Forest). I'm still not convinced Col. Halt and his men saw something alien, but I'm utterly convinced they didn't see a lighthouse.

 

[digigeek]

2. It seems that the lighthouse have a metal plate installed that prevent the beam from being directed at the Rendlesham forest.

Rohn

I agree that #2 was really interesting. It's one of those times when I am left AMAZED that nobody has discovered that fact before.

You know what? In the end, that sort of thing makes me SERIOUSLY doubt the abilities of anyone who has looked into that case in the past and NOT found that the shield was there (e.g. everyone prior!).

I've posted several times about the absolute shoddiness of the investigating I often see or hear about by well-known, respected, published "authorities" in these matters...it is appalling at times.

 

[digigeek]

UFO Hunters (latest episode - police and UFOs)

Did anyone else notice the [size=x-large]HUGE[/size] wrench Maccabee used as a visual aid to show a helicopter on UFO Hunters last night?

What was that thing and why did he happen to have a Flintstone-sized wrench just laying around on his desk at the time?

Bill Birnes or other UFO Hunters team members, why on Earth did noone ask Bruce where that massive wrench came from? You mean, you thought it totally normal for someone to have that wrench just laying around??? Whoa! Freaky.

I'm going to lose sleep over this one.

It looked like a crescent wrench, the size of this: