When Will The Economy Collapse?

[boomerang]

Fluoride is the only drug/toxic waste I know of that is not approved by the FDA and is put in nearly everything we consume with no oversight. no prescription, no controlled dosage, no consideration of sensitivities or individual reactions to it. What other drug is allowed to be consumed with no oversight? If I took a bag of fluoride and dumped it in the river I would be arrested, BUT I can put that SAME bag into a city water source and it is legal, actually REQUIRED by the state.

Absolutely on the mark. Note also this is a society so concerned about non-natural chemical compounds in the environment that it is encouraging people not to flush a few unused medications down the loo for disposal.

 

[Tyger]

Aw well. Maybe it acts like a preservative, too, hence why our average life-span continues to increase. What can ya do?

I have a theory about not only our increased life-spans but our generally looking 'younger' at ages that here-to-fore were considered old and looked old to our eyes. A friend and I worked this out: we go so fast now - we travel on average 60 mph on a daily basis, we zoom around in jet-planes - everything now goes fast when we travel - hence, we are not actually aging at the same rate as people who lived their whole lives at the speed of a brisk walk. At age 50, we may actually - due to all our fast travel - be only 45.

 

[Randall]

I have a theory about not only our increased life-spans but our generally looking 'younger' at ages that here-to-fore were considered old and looked old to our eyes. A friend and I worked this out: we go so fast now - we travel on average 60 mph on a daily basis, we zoom around in jet-planes - everything now goes fast when we travel - hence, we are not actually aging at the same rate as people who lived their whole lives at the speed of a brisk walk. At age 50, we may actually - due to all our fast travel - be only 45.

Wouldn't it be nice if it were that easy? I doubt that time dilation would save us more than a few milliseconds over the span of our entire life even if we were on the space station. But it's a fun idea to muse over. I can just see the next evolution of Nikes or Addidas with a little built in nono-timer that tells you how many nanoseconds you've saved during your last run.

 

[stonehart]

 

[stonehart]

The docs this guy is talking about I read when they first got dumped by said hacker.
They are very legit so keep that in mind when you listen to this.

 

[Tyger]

The docs this guy is talking about I read when they first got dumped by said hacker.
They are very legit so keep that in mind when you listen to this.

Cheesh!

 

[mike]

The docs this guy is talking about I read when they first got dumped by said hacker.
They are very legit so keep that in mind when you listen to this.

Interesting times, The Australian PM has just given a press conference on Syria, the launguage is all "its going to happen"

This will be very interesting, If Russia backs down, it will signal their total defeat as a self styled counter to US world domination.

Not sure they can walk away from this one.

I have a very bad feeling about this one

 

[Jeff Davis]

The docs this guy is talking about I read when they first got dumped by said hacker.
They are very legit so keep that in mind when you listen to this.

Could you please provide the name of the doc. so I can google it? It seems the video has been taken down. Thanks.

 

[Jeff Davis]

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I disagree about the police state. Not nearly enough enforcement yet.

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Could not agree more. I have been waiting for those guys to get real/effective for years myself. The police have become an utter joke where I'm from. You see one or two a week out on the road. That's because the average city police dept. is relatively 25% as manned per populous as it was 50 years ago. Our city's police dept. is actually doing double duty with far less men than they had just 10 years ago because a neighboring city's police dept. simply went away due to the industrial black hole of it's former economically strident self. That's what happens when fat cat governing greed forces corporate industry outside their own country of origin for cheap and pathetic manufactured BS so they can maintain those profit based prophecies that they brag about and piss so many people off with. Which more or less eventually boils down to zero economic backbone within each dwindling community. That's OK however, I'm certain we'll just fix it all by throwing money at the situation like usual. Prince oBozo will extend everyone's welfare benefits, who knows, maybe we'll all even get another couple hundred dollar government check of our own money back so we can feel, what exactly? Less cheated maybe.

 

[Tyger]

Interesting times, The Australian PM has just given a press conference on Syria, the launguage is all "its going to happen"

This will be very interesting, If Russia backs down, it will signal their total defeat as a self styled counter to US world domination.

Not sure they can walk away from this one.

I have a very bad feeling about this one

Wow! the video taken down and then I see the following. That video was asking for awareness. Now this - it's looking a lot like the run-up to the Iraq War. Very sad.

From the New York Times -

BREAKING NEWSMonday, August 26, 2013 3:40 PM EDT
Kerry Warns Assad, Saying Chemical Weapons Use in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’
Secretary of State John Kerry said Monday that the use of chemical weapons in attacks on civilians in Syria last week was undeniable and that the Obama administration would hold the Syrian government accountable for what he called a “moral obscenity” that had shocked the world’s conscience.
In some of the most strident language used yet by the administration, Mr. Kerry accused the Syrian government of cynically seeking to cover up the use of the weapons and he rejected its denial of responsibility for what he called a “cowardly crime.”
Mr. Kerry’s remarks, in a prepared statement he read at the State Department, reinforced the administration’s toughening stance on the Syria conflict, which is now well into its third year, and he suggested it was moving closer to a military response in consultation with America’s allies.

 

[mike]

The Australian foriegn minister is using language this afternoon that suggests this is a done deal, phrases like imminent momentum for response

Heres another one using those same words

Strike against Syria seems imminent | Sun Journal

Strike against Syria seems imminent , Momentum appeared to build Tuesday for Western military action against Syria, with the U.S. and France saying they are in position for a strike.

The british parliment is being recalled 2 days early, which suggests a sooner rather than later strike.

That this is going to happen seems inevitable, the bigger question is how will Russia react ?
If it does nothing it will by default be admitting its warnings against such action are just the bluffs of a toothless tiger, and that the US is the ultimate ruler of planet earth.

The Arab League also threw its weight behind calls for punitive action, blaming the Syrian government for the attack and calling for those responsible to be brought to justice

THE United States military is ready to unleash a three-day bombardment of Syria as soon as tomorrow in a move designed to "send a message" to President Bashar al-Assad.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/world-news/syria-vows-to-fight-off-western-military-strikes-with-surprise-defences/story-fndir2ev-1226705351637#ixzz2dEuIn8sk

The US military is ready to strike Syria, the top defence official says as the momentum grows in France and Britain for punitive action and the Syrian opposition says it had been informed of an imminent military attack.

US forces 'ready' for Syria strike

France was "ready to punish" those who take the "vile decision to gas innocent people," President Francois Hollande said as he prepared to meet with his defence cabinet on Wednesday.

Thats more or less the same thing the Australian Govt is saying, the language is clearly we are going to punish you for this vile act

No longer IF, but rather WHEN it seems

 

[stonehart]

Could you please provide the name of the doc. so I can google it? It seems the video has been taken down. Thanks.

Damn I should have down loaded them when I had the chance to. Every time these docs get made available for people to get the site that hosts them has them removed very fast so sorry I can not provide them for you. I had a number of links but they are all no longer working.

I will do what I can to find them and post pics of them for you to read ... seems the logical way to do it considering.

 

[stonehart]

Could you please provide the name of the doc. so I can google it? It seems the video has been taken down. Thanks.

Update:

I have emailed Stormclouds to see what happened and will also ask around a few anons to see if they kept a copy.

Peace and I will do what I can.

 

[mike]

Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Muallem warned his country would defend itself in a way that would "surprise" its enemies.

Hmmmmmm..... links to Iran who have links to NK.... do they have a nuke ?

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the military would respond with "strength" should the Syrian regime retaliate against Israel in the event of a US-led missile strike.

"We have been informed of a strike by the world powers to punish the Syrian regime, but we do not have the details," said Monzer Makhous, the main opposition coalition's envoy in Paris.

"I think you can expect it this week," White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters at a daily briefing, amid widespread expectations that the US would launch a military response to the alleged use of chemical agents.

 

[mike]

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd says there's overwhelming evidence chemical weapons were used.

And Senator Carr is also convinced Asaad forces were behind the attack.
"A government that uses chemical weapons against its own people has to be made to pay a price," Senator Carr told a business conference in Perth on Wednesday.
"The evidence accumulates that this chemical weapons attack did take place and came from the Asaad forces."
Senator Carr said the preference would be for a United Nations-sanctioned action, but if that was not possible, "the sheer horror" of the attack mandated a response.

Asked if he was worried about retaliation by Syria to any intervention, Senator Carr said: "You have to be".

No Australian troops to go to Syria: Carr
$A lower on US response to Syria

Operation Orchard[2][3] (Hebrew: מבצע בוסתן‎, Mivtza bustan) was an Israeli airstrike on a nuclear reactor[4] in the Deir ez-Zor region[5] of Syria carried out just after midnight (local time) on September 6, 2007. The White House and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) later confirmed that American intelligence had also indicated the site was a nuclear facility with a military purpose, though Syria denies this.[6][7] An International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) investigation reported evidence of uranium and graphite and concluded that the site bore features resembling an undeclared nuclear reactor. IAEA was initially unable to confirm or deny the nature of the site because, according to IAEA, Syria failed to provide necessary cooperation with the IAEA investigation.[8][9] Syria has disputed these claims.[10] In April 2011, the IAEA officially confirmed that the site was a nuclear reactor

So we know Syria has tried to set up a reactor in the past, a nuclear facility with a military purpose

 

[TalkingMeatSuit]

Ok - editing this - folks are saying that the emails were hoaxed. I don't know enough about the nuts and bolts of how it works to agree whether or not they were legit.

Allegedly a reporter (I believe Greg Palast) called the numbers from the emails and said that they were indeed direct lines to the defense contractor bigwigs in question.

If the person who made the video took it down, perhaps the chance of it being fake was too high.

If all the hacked data is fake, that is a biiiiig project. IIRC some of the files were megabytes in size.

 

[Tyger]

Some are saying that the docs from the video were debunked. They were basing it on some ID information from the headers of the emails being the same in some of the messages. Other folks have chimed in though and disgreed, saying that, for example, templated emails (like the signature / template in the email featured between the two defense bigwigs that they were talking about) in Outlook commonly use some of the same header ID information. These ID's are not unique, however they aren't intended to be unique. I work in IT, but haven't investigated it thoroughly myself.

The amount of hacked data was pretty massive IIRC. Many of the files were MB's in size. If someone was going to fake all these docs, emails, spreadsheets - that is a TON of data to fake. Even still, once any iota of doubt is planted, people start to back off of things. FWIW the phone numbers from the main featured email were legit DIRECT lines to the company founder and the division head according to Greg Palast.

I think we've gotten to the point where we err on the side of doubting TPTB, and frankly I'm ok with that. You can only cry wolf so many times, and even if all that data was fake it doesn't change the set of F'd up circumstances and war for profit and control gone overboard.

Question is: why was the YouTube video pulled down at the very moment when governments are trying to make a persuasive argument for 'going in'?

Update:

I have emailed Stormclouds to see what happened and will also ask around a few anons to see if they kept a copy.

Peace and I will do what I can.

Can you ask why he pulled the video? That interests me.

 

[TalkingMeatSuit]

Perhaps the hack was legit, but the email was faked and included in the dump? From what I read just now it wasn't just a single identical ID in the headers, it was lots of data in the headers that was duplicated. My earlier attempt to summarize the situation may not be correct.

If that's the case, it still doesn't make a lot of sense to frame these folks who are already in bed with the corrupt government, but who knows?

Or maybe they have a button on their email that lets them duplicates the headers on sensitive emails so they can say that it's fake just in case it gets out?

Everything is becoming muddled and unclear, just like it always is in these situations that have become far too common

 

[stonehart]

Question is: why was the YouTube video pulled down at the very moment when governments are trying to make a persuasive argument for 'going in'?



Can you ask why he pulled the video? That interests me.

Because it turns out the ones he posted where fake... so yeah I can understand why he pulled it. Well that kills that part of this thread lol.

 

[mike]

High level government documents reveal that the Pentagon is preparing in full force for ‘large scale economic meltdown’ and massive revolt via the US public Read more:


Pentagon Prepping for 'Large Scale Economic Breakdown'