nameless
Paranormal Adept
So we made heaven and hell, to externalize our own capacities and place blame on the heathen, or the woman, or the French.
always the French my friend, always the French.
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always the French my friend, always the French.
nameless
Paranormal Adept
"Orkney
Main article: South Ronaldsay child abuse scandal
In 1990-1991 nine children suspected of being sexually abused by their families and an alleged child abuse ring were removed by social services in Orkney. The abuse was also alleged to involve "ritualistic elements".[44] The parents approached the media and made the case national and international news. In April 1991, a sheriff ruled that the evidence was seriously flawed and the children were returned home.[44]
In June, social services appealed the sheriff's ruling[45] but the appeal was overturned and an official inquiry was established in August 1991, which after 9 months' investigation at a cost of £6 million, published its report in October 1992. It described the dismissal of the first judgment as "most unfortunate" and criticized all those involved, including the social workers, the police, and the Orkney Islands Council. Social workers' training, methods, and judgment were given special condemnation, and the report stated that the concept of "ritual abuse" was "not only unwarrantable at present but may affect the objectivity of practitioners and parents".[46][47] A 1994 government report based on three years of research found that there was no foundation to the many claims of Satanic abuse"
This was quite a big deal in the UK. It was important because it held up a mirror. It also proves psychologically, we as a supposedly advanced society has still got a medieval infantility at is brain core. Paranoia insecurities and misguided pattern recognition and then forced meaning placed on indistinct random data is enough, but the special sauce, the impetus, is the moral streak and the narrative.
We are our own problem.
Main article: South Ronaldsay child abuse scandal
In 1990-1991 nine children suspected of being sexually abused by their families and an alleged child abuse ring were removed by social services in Orkney. The abuse was also alleged to involve "ritualistic elements".[44] The parents approached the media and made the case national and international news. In April 1991, a sheriff ruled that the evidence was seriously flawed and the children were returned home.[44]
In June, social services appealed the sheriff's ruling[45] but the appeal was overturned and an official inquiry was established in August 1991, which after 9 months' investigation at a cost of £6 million, published its report in October 1992. It described the dismissal of the first judgment as "most unfortunate" and criticized all those involved, including the social workers, the police, and the Orkney Islands Council. Social workers' training, methods, and judgment were given special condemnation, and the report stated that the concept of "ritual abuse" was "not only unwarrantable at present but may affect the objectivity of practitioners and parents".[46][47] A 1994 government report based on three years of research found that there was no foundation to the many claims of Satanic abuse"
This was quite a big deal in the UK. It was important because it held up a mirror. It also proves psychologically, we as a supposedly advanced society has still got a medieval infantility at is brain core. Paranoia insecurities and misguided pattern recognition and then forced meaning placed on indistinct random data is enough, but the special sauce, the impetus, is the moral streak and the narrative.
We are our own problem.
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Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
You realize that you are quoting an organization whose business is to promote SRA as a real event, and as they point out at the top of the list they will not be updating any overturned convictions - they just want the list out there so that people will believe. If you read the wiki article you will see, "A 1996 investigation of more than 12,000 allegations of satanic, ritual and religious abuse resulted in no cases that were considered factual or corroborated." That's the problem with the myth, you are only ever going to get one side of the story if you are reading proponents of the literature. While their site is large and wide ranging, the first case that they promote does have another side to it that is not really concerned with SRA at all but just some deeply troubled teens suffering from severe mental health issues.
West Memphis Three - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
While many cases cite the involvement of LaVey's bible etc. in the possession of some of these killers you have listed, this is not what we are talking about when we refer to SRA. SRA is about an actual cult of people, performing rituals in an organized manner, for the purposes of worshipping their dark lord. I would not count the Night Stalker as an example of SRA, just a self-deluded individual whose psychopathy allowed him, like other killers, to kill and say they were doing it for satan. That's not SRA.
SRA refers to the myth that elites in society are sacrificing babies, committing atrocious crimes of rape and abuse all in honour of Satan and for their continued power over the planet. The cases that launched SRA into the mainstream were all found to be fraudulent and had no real proof of a cult involved at all. Those cases that you list, in some cases very seriously surreal cases of child rape involving larger communities of people, are about actual pedophile rings - those do happen, and it is almost always someone in power over the children responsible for such heinous acts. These are not done in the name of satan but in the name of their personal sickness and should not be confused with the myth of SRA. Ritual abuse like this does exist, but bringing satanism into it was the result of dedicated individuals whose religious belief systems caused them to support the myth of SRA and made their names doing so.
Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
ok then, let's look at the cases that give us cause to suggest that something is actually happening. what would those cases be and why is there such discrepancy between the proponents of AAP? also, should they bear responsibility for promoting factual inaccuracies that might lead people to joining UFO suicide cults in their attempt to return home?
To be honest its not a scenario (stealth invasion) i find to be highly likely, though i dont discount it entirely.
There are a number of scenarios that make more sense to me than invasion
Planned upgrades to the native bioform for example (indigo children)
Intelligence operatives, boots on the ground spys
Or as ive mentioned already using heterosis to add vigour to their own biological population
The case list is huge, but here are some
Kelly Cahill Abduction - Dandenong foothills, Australia - August 8, 1993 - UFO Evidence
PROJECT 1947: Keith Basterfield - A CATALOGUE OF AUSTRALIAN ABDUCTION CASES
An Examination of the Alien Abduction Phenomenon and Associated Psychological Theories
- UFO Evidence
Abduction Phenomenon - UFO Evidence
ufo abduction - Bing
marduk
quelling chaos since 2352BC
I'm looking at this the other way around. As an experiencer with just enough experience to make me want to know wtf is going on.
Trying to separate the wheat from the chaff to see what makes sense.
I don't expect my experiences to convince you. That's not my goal.
My goal is to get some answers without losing the logic centers of my brain.
nameless
Paranormal Adept
...predictable..
In terms of explaining mysterys, Aliens dont require any supernatural mechanisms
Are in fact a logical extension of the same model we see in play right here.
The right conditions create life, life becomes intelligent and develops technology.
Part of that process includes exploration and experimentation
Are in fact a logical extension of the same model we see in play right here.
The right conditions create life, life becomes intelligent and develops technology.
Part of that process includes exploration and experimentation
marduk
quelling chaos since 2352BC
These all seem anthropocentric to me.
What if we're tangential to the whole thing or simply a resource to be exploited?
As for the demonic aspect.........
Its hardly surprising that a planetary population that still in large part clings to bronze age fairytales and supertitions would see the phenomena via that filter.
There are entire webistes devoted to making that connection.
But lets face it the book of fairytales i'm refering to doesnt have a very good track record when it comes to explaining the natural world.
From the creation tale to mans creation from clay, to the absurd notion all life on the planet today can trace its roots to a single wooden boat that floated about for a year......
The odds that they have hit the nail on the head in regards to UFO's being demons from satans pit is laughable given the track record
Its hardly surprising that a planetary population that still in large part clings to bronze age fairytales and supertitions would see the phenomena via that filter.
There are entire webistes devoted to making that connection.
But lets face it the book of fairytales i'm refering to doesnt have a very good track record when it comes to explaining the natural world.
From the creation tale to mans creation from clay, to the absurd notion all life on the planet today can trace its roots to a single wooden boat that floated about for a year......
The odds that they have hit the nail on the head in regards to UFO's being demons from satans pit is laughable given the track record
My last idea fits that premise like a glove
That they are using our genetic material , made hardy by our planetary existance to add vigour to a much older biological strain (theirs) weakened by various environmental and or genetic factors
Inbreeding depression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Another idea floated recently was that the alleged implants contain ET diseases, and that our hardy biological physique produces antibodys when they are implanted, which can later be harvested for their use
Weve been using animals and eggs to make serum for a long time, so the idea has practical proof of concept merit
Genetic upgrades to your production stock might also be useful
Weve been using animals and eggs to make serum for a long time, so the idea has practical proof of concept merit
Genetic upgrades to your production stock might also be useful
Which makes my earlier point, the examples on top are supernatural entities, if by aliens we mean biological entitys from elsewhere, then given we are biological entities, it requires no supernatural mechanisms to be possible. Its simply an extension of the same model we see here
Add to that the articles ive posted earlier regarding DNA possibly being universal
A number of prominent scientists support this premise
Ridley Scott's "Prometheus" Suggests DNA May Be a Constant in the Universe --Richard Dawkins and Other Scientists Agree
The finding makes it more likely they would develop on strange planets than had previously been thought
That is, its more likely "aliens" are just an extension of the same model we see here, a planet teeming with life, adpated to every ecological and environmental niche.
From freezing plains of ice, so super hot magma vents.
Nothing supernatural, magical or mysterious about it
Weve even created synthetic life ourselves
scientists create artificial life - Bing
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Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
Ok, Marduk, i noticed that you had alluded to your own experience earlier on in the thread and i did want to get back to that issue. You certainly don't have to convince me of anything as it's your experience and let me say this, as someone who has had a very detailed personal experience with multiple witnesses and two UFO's that i documented here:
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i want to say that our experiences are what they are. I've had a number of very interesting sleep paralysis incidents in my late early 20's, which included a very surreal abduction scenario and out of body experience, but i'm not going to chalk these up to ET - i'm even critical of my own UFO experience in terms of what it was. All i can say is you need to hold onto the logic centres of your brain and spend time talking critically with people who are dispassionate about UFO's, but who have faith in you, so you can talk it out in a comfortable space. If you are starting to get distracted in your day to day work and living because of your experience then it's time to up the ante and seek out more specific professional talkers/therapists. The first place you can start though, for yourself, is to tally up the evidence and to scrutinize it as dispassionately as Sherlock Holmes would in trying to assess the facts of your experience. Make a detailed series of log entries; ask seriously critical questions for what else could be happening, alternative concrete possibilities and go from there.
So please don't take any of what i've already said or about to say regarding AAP to be directed at you in any way. I just feel very strongly that there's a lot of misguided direction and irresponsible commentary when it comes to dealing with missing time and how the prophets of AAP frame the discussion. Perhaps, your own very critical examination of the literature might give you cause to pause on the AAP piece and discover other possibilities or ways of looking at the situation. I think it's of most importance that we work to establish a truth of sorts regarding the source of AAP and whether or not it has any legs to stand on. I'm very doubtful about the possibility of AAP and won't even begin the why speculation that proposes assertions on something still not proven. I do believe that being a doubtful seeker is a good space to operate from - that way you don't have to commit to any story or researcher no matter how compelling it might first sound at the outset.
Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
Mike, of all the things i see in the list you posted the only tangible actual case is the Cahill one. It's problematic at best but is most often referred to as the only abduction case with multiple witnesses, that is until Linda Cortile came along. There are issues with both cases but let's look at what Bill Chalker has had to say about the case upon further reflection on it:
"Update (12/6/02) The Cahill case, PRA & openness:
It should be noted that the above "comment" in the 1994 IUR report was prepared on the assumption that the "PRA comprehensive report on the affair" was about to be released. Despite nearly a decade passing, John Auchettl and PRA have not released their report other than a few fragments of information.
As the researcher responsible for passing Kelly Cahill onto PRA in the first place, principally because I am NSW based and the incident occurred in Victoria, I have to say now that that decision was, in hindsight, a mistake.
My comment in my 1994 IUR report: "John Auchettl and PRA, whose investigative thoroughness is to be commended", was based entirely on conversations with Auchettl and discussions with Kelly Cahill at the time (1993-1994), and in retrospect should have been qualified more accurately. While Auchettl & PRA may well have been thorough in their investigation, in reality there has been no way to absolutely verify this, because of their unwillingness to release their report and data on the case. PRA have offered some seemingly unusual and convoluted explanations for this lack of sharing.
I have long encouraged openness and sharing in UFO research (my web site is in part an expression of my position on this matter). My attempts to encourage PRA in this direction, from my perspective, have been very disappointing, and have instead lead me to not to refer cases to John Auchettl and PRA. Unless PRA changes their apparent lack of transparency and openness, researchers and witnesses should carefully consider the wisdom of cooperating with Phenomena Research Australia (PRA).
Regards, Bill"
Kelly Cahill Abduction - Dandenong foothills, Australia - August 8, 1993 - UFO Evidence
The following points are the most interesting and suspicious regarding this case:
1) she did not remember it immediately at all - it was a remembering, caught up in a series of dreams not to mention her own religious fervour experiences that pre-dated the night in question
2) the witnesses have no names, no publication details and can not be verified in any way
3) as Bill Chalker points out up above there was no formal report ever issued regarding this case and the case itself is all based on conversations between Auchettl and Cahill
4) the husband Andrew has never supported the events publicly and has no recall of the event himself
5) the similarities between the Cortile case where supposed witnesses exist but never step forward means there is no independent confirmation at all and smacks of collusion
6) her visual transformation smacks of calculated talk show and conference tour endeavours as opposed to someone who just happened to have something happen to her and then went on the news about her experience - no she decided to write the book first and then hit the tour circuit
7) as one of the most reported, repeated and supposedly verified abduction case of all time the legs are extremely thin that it stands upon which is essentially Cahill's narrative and no independent confirmation, it's a good example of how myth making works
Any other strong cases, aside from Travis please? Walton's case has been treated quite thoroughly on the forum where i've vacillated between being a total supporter of the case to discovering that there are also some interesting weak points when we revisit the initial reports of Walton and his media handlers that immediately grabbed hold of the narrative before it hit the airwaves. Still, his story stays consistent and he never went prophet on the whole thing, but it's initial creation as a story is interesting to examine.
Jeff Davis
Paranormal Adept
and of course this is just good old human nature.
It is easiest and most truthful to readily admit that I did not realize that there was a difference between the acronym SRA, and those people doing precisely that, that have been convicted of heinous crimes directly tied to their personal beliefs, and thereby proved, to be a real modus operandi in murder, satan cultists.
I apologize for being unfamiliar with this social enigma of SRA that I obviously was completely oblivious to. Everyone from serial killers to boy scouts have been accused and convicted of crimes due to satanic cult motives. Fact. Your point is that religious fear mongering via mass communications by people cashing in on the gullible was to blame for a socially induced tidal wave of hyper reactive imaginations. Panic. You are stating that this same phenomena exists in parallel in the AAP.
I believe that at the core of each phenomenon there exists at very minimum a real grain of truth. Real people were and are deranged self proclaimed Satanists that kill for beliefs that mirror gain. What about the abduction phenomenon?
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