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Thanks Stonehart for ALL your posts. I agree about Harry Fear, he seems to only be concerned with things flying into Gaza not flying out. This video is scary, @ 2.31 the boy in the foreground and the man ranting with the bull horn behind him sums everything up. The cycle of hate. By the way, hottie at 15 secs.
 
Hey Stoney. I've been following everything you've been posting, but I had nothing to comment. I don't think you were being dishonest or unethical in posting what you'd heard. Don't sweat the peanut gallery.
I appreciate what you're doing here.
I'm sorry you have family there. Hope things work out.
 
I only hope that whatever messy sequence of events unfolds, America's primary focus remains its own self interest. We have enough problems in our own backyard without weighing in on the tragedy of ancient grudges.
 
Hey all thank you very much.

As I said I take no side in this conflict at all.. it is sad and mess.
Harry needs to get some impartiality as both sides have committed atrocities but that comes with time and maturity .. he is 21 after all and an activist to boot so take his comments with a little salt.

I have stopped posting the raw info and will wait until I get stronger conformation on things.. well as strong as it can be considering the situation. My most trust worthy contact has left the Gaza strip due to how dangerous it has become and I do not blame him for it (for you guys info that is the family member, he is an independent so not sure who he was working for this time and I should have asked).

Peace all and I hope like hell a cease fire can be agreed on as soon as possible.. it is after all a senseless conflict with both parties having blood on their hands.
 
Then there's this
Hamas execution of 6 men, dragged in the streets of Gaza
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Is Israel loosing support among the Jewish people? There has been a long history of Jews who oppose Zionism. The recent attack on the people of Gaza is being protested but the protests are not reported. Here are some examples of protest.
Campaigns | End the bombing. Hold Israel Accountable. | Jewish Voice for Peace
Jewish Voice for Peace
Naomi Wolf walked out of synagogue when they had nothing to say about Gaza massacre:
Naomi Wolf had to walk out of synagogue when they had nothing to say about
 
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I only hope that whatever messy sequence of events unfolds, America's primary focus remains its own self interest. We have enough problems in our own backyard without weighing in on the tragedy of ancient grudges.

Don't you think that the US is knee deep in this conflict and our government has had a 'self interest' in this matter for over fifty years or more?? I also find it amusing to see how biased the US press is towards Israel. An Israeli soldier gets killed or captured and it is a major event. Three hundred Palestinians are killed and nary a headline.
 
i know you comment wasn't directed at anybody here in particular but for my part i support the palestinian people. When you take all the affected groups involved in these altercations, The Isreali army; the Isreali people, Hamas or it's advocates and the Palestinian people, it's the civilians of Gaza (and the West Bank eventually, as i suppose now that Hamas and Fatah are making kissy faces at one another again it is reasonable to expect to hear the West Bank in the news once again ) that pay the biggest price. Even groups such as Hamas will always have a champion and even if they get bloodied and knocked down they will get back up on their feet, not so for the unforunate civilians in the affected areas.


The Israelis tend to suffer from a seige mentality and groups such as Fatal and Hamas and it's predecessor, the PLO once headed by that pig and pig-headed Ararat NEED to have a reason to justify their existence. There will never be peace in the middle east unless those two factors can be addressed.
 
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I honestly do not understand how anybody in their right mind can support Hamas. Their entire doctrine is to eliminate Israel. How are you supposed to make peace with them is beyond me. They need to be taken out period. Even the Saudis are now on the side of Israel.
Attack on Gaza by Saudi Royal Appointment | David Hearst
It looks like you may get your wish. Israel seems to want to level Gaza City and remove all Palestinians from the land. As far as Saudi Arabia siding with Israel, I think that alliance says it all. You may want to look up the term 'wahhabi' before you get all giddy about the Saudis.
 
It is true that both sides are suffering, especially the civilians, but the unfortunate fact of reality is that the Palestinians are to blame for this. Nobody wants peace more than the Israelis. They've reiterated this numerous times. They don't need this war, they don't want war. There is over a million of Arabs living in Israel right now and they would never live anywhere else. I know because I spoke to some of them. But when you live next door to a neighbor that preaches hatred and violence since the early childhood what are you supposed to do? Palestinians were the ones that applauded 9/11 attacks and danced on the streets. Sorry, but I will never forget this. This is the reality and a fact. Until they join the human race and start acting like civilized human beings and actually do something to improve their living conditions, nothing will change. It's their choice, period.
 
It looks like you may get your wish. Israel seems to want to level Gaza City and remove all Palestinians from the land. As far as Saudi Arabia siding with Israel, I think that alliance says it all. You may want to look up the term 'wahhabi' before you get all giddy about the Saudis.
I'm not getting all giddy about the Saudis and I know about their involvement in 9/11 attacks, but Israel could use any ally that it can get at this point.
 
I honestly do not understand how anybody in their right mind can support Hamas. Their entire doctrine is to eliminate Israel. How are you supposed to make peace with them is beyond me. They need to be taken out period. Even the Saudis are now on the side of Israel.
Attack on Gaza by Saudi Royal Appointment | David Hearst
Is it that they want to eliminate Israel or is it that they want to eliminate Israel as a Jewish state (with all other none Jews governed by different set of laws?)
 
It is true that both sides are suffering, especially the civilians, but the unfortunate fact of reality is that the Palestinians are to blame for this. Nobody wants peace more than the Israelis. They've reiterated this numerous times. They don't need this war, they don't want war. There is over a million of Arabs living in Israel right now and they would never live anywhere else. I know because I spoke to some of them. But when you live next door to a neighbor that preaches hatred and violence since the early childhood what are you supposed to do? Palestinians were the ones that applauded 9/11 attacks and danced on the streets. Sorry, but I will never forget this. This is the reality and a fact. Until they join the human race and start acting like civilized human beings and actually do something to improve their living conditions, nothing will change. It's their choice, period.
This is a scandalous comment :the Palestinians are reacting to a decade long oppression.Israel keeps stealing land and houses , not to mention the prison called 'Gaza'.
Tell me who is occupying who ?
What would any American do when Canada or Mexico invade the American border , steal all houses and land and just say : this is ours now: leave.
What Israel is doing smells lile looking for Lebensraum.

Former Pink Floyd frontman sparks fury by comparing Israelis to Nazis | Music | The Observer
 
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It is true that both sides are suffering, especially the civilians, but the unfortunate fact of reality is that the Palestinians are to blame for this. Nobody wants peace more than the Israelis. They've reiterated this numerous times. They don't need this war, they don't want war. There is over a million of Arabs living in Israel right now and they would never live anywhere else. I know because I spoke to some of them. But when you live next door to a neighbor that preaches hatred and violence since the early childhood what are you supposed to do? Palestinians were the ones that applauded 9/11 attacks and danced on the streets. Sorry, but I will never forget this. This is the reality and a fact. Until they join the human race and start acting like civilized human beings and actually do something to improve their living conditions, nothing will change. It's their choice, period.

The suffering is not equal: How many Palestinians deaths compared to the number of Israelis?
Nobody wants peace more than Israel! This would be by bombing and starving the people of Gaza so they can have Palestinian land and gas?
They would never live anywhere else because they were in that land first.
Yes what should the Palestinians do living next door to a neighbour who preaches hatred and violence while claiming to be the victim?
Palestinians did not cheer when 911 happened this is another propaganda trick from the department of truth and Justice. What was shown on TV was a previous tape showing the Palestinians cheering a PEACE agreement.
They are doing their best to be good people but it is hard when your fellow human being is trying to kill you and your family. If Israel would end the blockade they could improve their living conditions.
The warring sides are not equal. It is drones, jets, tanks, and Apache Helicopters against home made rockets.
 
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What would any American do when Canada or Mexico invade the American border , steal all houses and land and just say : this is ours now: leave.
Of course historically this has happened repetitively to indigenous people all over the world, especially in Canada, Mexico and America. The tactics at the time included isolationism, cultural destruction as seen through residential schools, reserves and assimilation laws. There was a never a fight to begin with, no rockets, just a slow grinding genocide. The world is very used to building walls and words like genocide, isolation and occupation. Usually what ends up happening is that one side ultimately disappears, dissolves or is crushed.

Here's an interesting visual timeline of the creation and destruction of nations:

map-story-of-palestinian-nationhood.jpg

Now the oldest hate on planet earth, after the hatred of women, is anti-semitism. In every corner of the world you can find someone desecrating Jewish graves, or fire-bombing synagogues the same way North Americans seem to like firebombing mosques. Palestinian youth, like Israeli youth are taught to hate each other from the get go. This conflict will not come right ever, as the history of eliminating the space for a people to live will always breed more violence. Look at how pockmarked Palestine has become - what is the agenda here? It certainly isn't to stop building settlements, unless you're living on the side where you can't even get concrete in your country to build homes & an economy. And because of your history, any concrete smuggled in is going to be used to build tunnels to store weapons. This in turn results in your neighbourhood being bombed out of existence.
ISRAEL-MAP.jpg

You can see Palestine dissolving more clearly up above. While I don't support terrorism, occupation, walls or placing military weapons in neighborhoods as a strategy, I do understand what the strategies of the desperate look like. In this case mutually assured destruction is inevitable. The Palestinians will one day become an entirely displaced people, the way that Jewish peoples were once displaced, and then Israel will in turn have to live with owning that history, the way that Germany owns their holocaust.
 
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This is a scandalous comment :the Palestinians are reacting to a decade long oppression.Israel keeps stealing land and houses , not to mention the prison called 'Gaza'.
Tell me who is occupying who ?
What would any American do when Canada or Mexico invade the American border , steal all houses and land and just say : this is ours now: leave.
What Israel is doing smells lile looking for Lebensraum.

Former Pink Floyd frontman sparks fury by comparing Israelis to Nazis | Music | The Observer
wh

The suffering is not equal: How many Palestinians deaths compared to the number of Israelis?
Nobody wants peace more than Israel! This would be by bombing and starving the people of Gaza so they can have Palestinian land and gas?
They would never live anywhere else because they were in that land first.
Yes what should the Palestinians do living next door to a neighbour who preaches hatred and violence while claiming to be the victim.?
Palestinians did not cheer when 911 happened this is another propaganda trick from the department of truth and Justice. What was shown on TV was a previous tape showing the Palestinians cheering a PEACE agreement.
They are doing their best to be good people but it is hard when your fellow human being is trying to kill you and your family. If Israel would end the blockade they could improve their living conditions.
The warring sides are not equal. It is drones,jets and tanks and Apache Helicopters against home made rockets.
Of course historically this has happened repetitively to indigenous people all over the world, especially in Canada, Mexico and America. The tactics at the time included isolationism, cultural destruction as seen through residential schools, reserves and assimilation laws. There was a never a fight to begin with, no rockets, just a slow grinding genocide. The world is very used to building walls and words like genocide, isolation and occupation. Usually what ends up happening is that one side ultimately disappears, dissolves or is crushed.

Here's an interesting visual timeline of the creation and destruction of nations:

map-story-of-palestinian-nationhood.jpg

Now the oldest hate on planet earth, after the hatred of women, is anti-semitism. In every corner of the world you can find someone desecrating Jewish graves, or fire-bombing synagogues the same way North Americans seem to like firebombing mosques. Palestinian youth, like Israeli youth are taught to hate each other from the get go. This conflict will not come right ever, as the history of eliminating the space for a people to live will always breed more violence. Look at how pockmarked Palestine has become - what is the agenda here? It certainly isn't to stop building settlements, unless you're living on the side where you can't even get concrete in your country to build homes & an economy. And because of your history, any concrete smuggled in is going to be used to build tunnels to store weapons. Thus in turn results in your neighbourhood being bombed out of existence.
ISRAEL-MAP.jpg

You can see Palestine dissolving more clearly up above. While I don't support terrorism, occupation, walls or placing military weapons in neighborhoods as a strategy, I do understand what the strategies of the desperate look like. In this case mutually assured destruction is inevitable. The Palestinians will one day become an entirely displaced people, the way that Jewish peoples were once displaced, and then Israel will in turn have to live with owning that history, the way that Germany owns their holocaust.

All well thought out posts.
Not going to say very much on this topic as the above posts have covered what I would have said anyway.
Just remember all that not all Jewish people or those of Jewish heritage support or condone the actions of Israel, the Palestinians are a desperate people living under occupation watching their Heritage and way of life slowly being destroyed. Self determination under the conditions in Israel for the Palestinians is not possible and was never going to be.
As a person who has Jewish heritage I would have thought we should have known better .. sort of ironic really.
 
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