The Official Paracast Political Thread!

[Gene Steinberg]

She's already been found innocent of any wrongdoing. This is a crossing dots sorta thing.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Well one should wait til some more details out BUT if Huma is involed in using one of these devices I'd say it bears looking into.

Furthermore I can't help but think that this was a known factor by Hilary at the time and she should have come clean at the time of the investigation...kind of preempt it's so because of her penchant(obsession) for secrecy if this does bite her in the ass she deserves it.

To me this fits the Clintons self sense of being above the law.

If this is about Huma's devices, it has nothing to do with Hillary's email server or her devices. Do you not understand that?

 

[Jeff Davis]

Nobody in his/her right mind or with an ounce of intelligence ever believes anything Morris says. Just apply the word "wrong" to his crap, and you will almost always been right. Most media outlets won't even put him on anymore since he's become so toxic. Even Fox News dumped him at one time.

Including the Clintons that EMPLOYED him for many years as a PR and Political consultant!! Just shows you what great taste they have!! LOL!!! Gene I gotta say, that was WAY off base. Have a look for yourself.

Dick Morris - Wikipedia

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Including the Clintons that EMPLOYED him for many years as a PR and Political consultant!! Just shows you what great taste they have!! LOL!!! Gene I gotta say, that was WAY off base. Have a look for yourself.

Dick Morris - Wikipedia

He worked for a short period of time for the Clinton's in the 1990s. They fired him, partly because he was diddling with his mistress while he was supposed to be working. Diddling should be done on one's own time.

He's slime. He pretends that he was far more connected than he was. As I said, he's almost always wrong. Most of the mainstream and respected media won't pay him a second's attention. If you believe this idiot, that's your cross to bear.

 

[Walter Bosley]

The laugh is on you because this is not about her email server, but about Anthony Weiner's messages. You have to dig deep, because the media really got this one dead wrong.

Just do your research. It's like they are aching for anything to make Clinton look bad even if it's only peripherally related. So Weiner's soon-to-be ex-wife is Hillary's assistant.

Riiiiight. We'll monitor the impact it has...

 

[SRL+]

Will the story truly grow legs? Probably not enough to sway the outcome of the election. Nate Silver is fairly savvy. He seems to chime with Gene’s impression.

Election Update: The FBI Is Back — This Time With Anthony Weiner

 

[Jeff Davis]

Will the story truly grow legs? Probably not enough to sway the outcome of the election. Nate Silver is fairly savvy. He seems to chime with Gene’s impression.

Election Update: The FBI Is Back — This Time With Anthony Weiner

Correct, Trump is still going to win.

Professor who’s predicted 30 years of presidential elections correctly is doubling down on a Trump win

 

[SRL+]

Politics that have seen a fat ass bunch of rich old men and women on both sides of the magician's choice partisan arrangement, get extremely wealthy and entitled off of the legitimate working class's backs, which BTW, you still have not openly aligned yourself with.

And what does Trump look like to you .., The Fabulous Fabio?

Dude, you really need your eyes checked out.

BTW, how much did you wager on your savior?

Let me guess.., not one dime.

 

[marduk]

And what does Trump look like to you .., The Fabulous Fabio?

Dude, you really need your eyes checked out.

BTW, how much did you wager on your savior?

Let me guess.., not one dime.

I'd wager 29 quatloos that it soon won't matter.

He's gonna go down harder than the chick in the shiny bikini did in The Game Masters of Triskelion.

 

[SRL+]

Since according to Trump, the US is going to get nuked, I’ve invested in Prussian Francs.

 

[Wade]

I'd wager 29 quatloos that it soon won't matter.

He's gonna go down harder than the chick in the shiny bikini in The Game Masters of Triskelion.

She really rocked that Collar of Obedience didn't she?

 

[Jeff Davis]

And what does Trump look like to you .., The Fabulous Fabio?

Dude, you really need your eyes checked out.

BTW, how much did you wager on your savior?

Let me guess.., not one dime.

As usual, nothing of substance. <sigh>

You know S.R.L., if any thing ol' girl, you're predictable.

I know one thing, Trump's health is in FACT one helluva lot more stable than Hillaryous's. Hillary is a rickety old gal if ever I've seen one.

What’s that underneath Hillary Clinton’s jacket at 9/26 debate with Trump?

Hillary Clinton wears a catheter?

 

[SRL+]

Once again, no wager.., no guts, no glory.


I was just wondering what will become of you after your champion loses the election? Like a little sissy with an AK-47 will you go screaming foul up & down the streets discharging your firearm with the rest of the Davis clan?

 

[marduk]

She really rocked that Collar of Obedience didn't she?

Dude, I love it when I go all meta and someone realizes the whole second layer of meta!

 

[marduk]

Once again, no wager.., no guts, no glory.


I was just wondering what will become of you after your champion loses the election? Like a little sissy with an AK-47 will you go screaming foul up & down the streets discharging your firearm with the rest of the Davis clan?

It will be a liberal conspiracy, of course. And there will be folks that will always believe that.

He's gonna be the Roswell of American politics.

 

[Tyger]

Quote me, or link back to, one single political FACT supporting your pro liberal positioning minus the typical poor wittle liberals being victimized by the big bad republican wolves editorial.

My pro-liberal positioning merely dovetails with your pro-Trump positioning. Same process operating methinks.

This being minus the one single fact that I did find via your sarcastic reference to my "last 60 years, so what happened in 1956?" remark which is an obvious, ridiculously overt, literalization of the point that I was making.

You are wayyyyy too touchy. When I was being sarcastic, I said so. I was not being so then. I was genuinley puzzled regarding what happened 60 years ago. But now you answered - you had mis-stated. Okay.

However, in fairness, it all couldn't have happened without Democratic complicity. True enough.

Of course concerning the real issue in point, you will predictably avoid by replying that I had no point to begin with.

Looks like you don't need to have me in the conversation. You do quite well on your own. As we have never had a political conversation before, not sure how you can so characterize. The entire sentence tells me you do not really discuss, but posture. No real dialog possible.

Tyger, this is not philosophy we're referring to it here, it's utterly and completely FAILED politics.

Aided and abetted by a lazy voting public - 42% of the U.S. voting public cast a ballot in 2014 at the mid-terms. We struggle to keep 50% to 60% voting in presidential elections. The 'regular Joe' is not minding the store. That's a fact that those with clever minds depend on.

However, Jeff, there is nothing more based in philosphy than what is taking place now in this election. The problem is that most people are indulging their philosophy without knowing it's lineage.

Politics that have seen a fat ass bunch of rich old men and women on both sides of the magician's choice partisan arrangement, get extremely wealthy and entitled off of the legitimate working class's backs, which BTW, you still have not openly aligned yourself with. Are you a natural born US citizen that has spent their adult life working professionally in the United States while paying your slave master's their unjust due, all the while carrying the rest of the failed slaves and freeloaders? I would very much like to introduce some factual perspective into the conversation if you don't mind.

Conspiracy theories suit the lazy mind, I often think. Knowing history takes far more rigor. That's not to say there is not collusion - there most certainly is (and I totally agree that lots of folks have been getting rich on the back of the commons) - but it's usually more parochial than grandiose, albeit wide-spread and systemic. We've been dealing with such collusion since the Robber Barons in the 19th century (and the East India Company centuries earlier - and when it comes to that - the Romans). But keeping to the near present, it was through grass-roots activism - and the fabled muck-raking journalism of the early 20th century that turned things around to usher in the world you (possibly) look back on as the 'better America' Trump promises to hail back to. Good things happened because of activism - and the election of a politician who could listen and negotiate amid the political ice floes of his time.

Interestingly, a meme is making the rounds - a quote from Frank Herbert in 'Dune': "All governements suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible." Hoping this quote was accurate I did a google and came across this great site with David Brin quotes: David Brin - Wikiquote

Best of them, from 'The Postman' (1985):

• How can we set up a system which encourages individuals to strive and excel, and yet which shows some compassion to the weak, and weeds out madmen and tyrants?
  • Chapter 14 (p. 266)

• Of course we can establish constitutional checks and balances, but those won’t mean a thing unless citizens make sure the safeguards are taken seriously. The greedy and the power-hungry will always look for ways to break the rules, or twist them to their advantage.
  • Chapter 14 (p. 266)

• It’s said that “power corrupts” but actually it’s more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power. When they do act, they think of it as service, which has limits. The tyrant, though, seeks mastery, for which he is insatiable, implacable.
  • Chapter 14 (p. 267)
  • Variant: It is said that power corrupts, but actually it’s more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power.
    • As quoted in Values of the Wise: Humanity's Highest Aspirations (2004) by Jason Merchey, p. 120
  • This is very similar to the expression by Frank Herbert in 'Chapterhouse: Dune' (1985): "All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."

• Freedom was wonderful beyond relief. But with it came that bitch, Duty.

Everything you've stated in the last reply to me, and this reply, are the products of media introduced information and perspective.

You have made an assertion - as you often do. An assertion is not a fact.

If they are not, and I am incorrect in assuming as much, I deeply apologize, but for that apology to be anything remotely sincere, I will need you to link me to your alternate source of information for the sake of verification.

This is funny. I think. I would have to link you to my brain, methinks.

This information that we are all spoon fed motivates reactions within everyone of us that tune into it. Be that reaction reflect outrage, or adulation, is all based upon your own personal predetermination.

Too many documentaries have you spinning down a certain highway - maybe? Anyway, while what you suggest can be true - and is - in many cases - you are ruling out actual 'thinking for oneself' - which does occur anon and again.

There is not one question in my mind. The American people have been had.

Exactly so, but they also let it happen while they pursued 'happiness' to the exclusion of 'duty' (voting and keeping an eye on the checks and balances). LINK: Why did Jefferson change "property" to the "pursuit of happiness"?

This being by what are no less than a oligarchically entrenched bunch of ruthless alpha lawyer politicians that are in fact greed infested barbarian monetary warlords seeking ONLY to profit themselves at the expense of working societies utter enslaved turmoil, and sweat soaked brow. Those are my predetermined feelings on the matter, what are yours?

Our problems have always been large and difficult. Historically, we deal with them. Historically, our presidents have been a mixed bag, as have our Congresses. There has been progress but we still have to maintain vigilance - and vote! We have to elect the right people and make those who serve us accountable. We have been failing as a populace, just as the elected have been failing the whole. We are all culpable. It's as simple as that - and as onerous a task to effect change as it ever was in the deep dark days of child labor and slavery.

Look, lets get something straight between you and I right now Tyg, there is ONLY ONE WORD that I can without reservation blame the entirety of the absolute disappearance of the American way on. The same word that I can FACTUALLY link every single inspired social injustice from racism to perpetuated poverty on. The same word that characterizes and depicts Hillaryous the evil clown that would be Queen Clinton right down to the brass buttons on her sickly old booty's bottom line. And that single word? POLITICIAN. Note how the word politician does NOT denote one of the two military industrial complex business interest factions that by official definition are the Democrat and Republican party base. Those two names are synonymous with one single phrase. Corporate Conglomerate Interest. Wake up!

The disappearance of the American Way - curious phrase. What's the American Way? Immigrants, innovation, cutting edge thinking - not the past (that you are touting and gazing back to longingly). People have come here to get away from the calcification of the 'old world' thinking and social constraints. I live in a cauldron of immigrant energy, innovation (by immigrants) and cutting edge thinking (by immigrants). As well as 'born and bred' Americans. But this longing for some idylic past (that never really existed) is very much 'old world' thinking. Some Americans have become 'old world'.

The conglomerate interests can be fought - and are being fought. Every generation - it is said - must fight for their freedom. And by 'fighting' I don't mean violence. And keep in mind that those conglomerate interests are made up of stockholders and workers who are giving assent to the whole scenario by participation.

The problem *is* the current sham that in grotesque and grandiose fashion calls itself the United States Government. Trump is KEY to a new day in that neighborhood.

Well, that's what Trump wants you to believe. He's defintely tapped into a near treasonous undercurrent in the US. I haven't been around it enough to know, but it appears to be rooted out of the Civil War. It's a disturbing phenomenon - linked to the talk of violence and threats against the opposition. That's thuggery - shades of the Robber Barons modus operandi.

If you have a single brain cell one you know that NO PERSON ON EARTH could have run for POTUS without aligning themselves with one of either camp, and that's precisely why 90% of those that officially make up those two camps can't stand him. They are frightened to death of becoming the proverbial Christmas tree ornaments that they rightly deserve to become. I say getterdone!

There certainly is concern over Trump that has grown exponentially in recent weeks. We've got a knot here for sure. Reducing the complexity to emotional tirades helps nothing.

There is little hope for you my friend if in fact by now you are HONESTLY not aware that Hillaryous's backers own the present and thoroughly corrupt "justice" system. For the Clinton's sake, they really should rename it the Just Us System, that'd be a helluva lot more accurate. How can you state what you just did and actually feel righteously justified? Are you REALLY that dependent on bought and paid for media to get your reality's source of accurate information? It's certainly a good thing that your welfare is not dependent on it. Then again, if you fall into the liberal camp, that's right where they want you. That woman and her drug crazed sex fiend credit taker of a husband are little better than mobsters.

You write with a great deal of hate. I am reminded of an wise old saying: "The moment one feels anger, one has ceased to argue for the truth and begun to argue for oneself."

When did you have this political epiphany? Where have you been for the last 100 years? You sound like the 13 year old who has just learned about coitus and is appalled to think his parents 'did that'. Where have you been in local elections? Have you gotten good people to run? People who will not be bought - and when they did get bought, you voted them out? Have you made people accountable?

Did you see what I wrote? Fact finders have assessed that Clinton lies 28% of the time (one of the lowest percentages among politicians). Trump lies 80% of the time. I don't even have to have that filtered to me - I can watch a video with Trump lying through his teeth. I've seen him deny in the evening what he said in the morning. The guy is corrupt - just one bit of evidence to that effect - and you don't see that? Go figure.

I'm not sure what planet you're currently residing on

Normal.

but personally, I speak on a professional basis with 20-30 different people every day of the working week, hearing from every age and background imaginable, and in the course of the last 4 months I have spoken with TWO people that had clearly made up their minds to support Hillary. That's because this is a meat and potatoes neck of the Midwestern woods

I guess that explains it. Quite a different world where I reside.

and we certainly know what it feels like to have been "sold out" per the likes of the good reverend Obozo.

Dare I ask? How has Obama sold you out?

Obama, by the way, no matter that I might disagree with his policies here and there and decisions perhaps, is one classy guy. In no way is he a 'clown' as your derisive descriptive word implies. Bush cannot hold a candle to the intelligent class of Obama and his wife. We have had our standing in the world elevated because of him, after the debacle that was Bush.

There were those that were admittedly undecided at the time, however the VAST majority expressed sincere and adamant support for Trump, and utter disgust for the current state of political affairs and the path that the United States has been on for the last 52 years, 327 days, and 12.5 hours. Get out much?

Well, those folks need to look more closely at how they voted, if they voted, who they supported, and how they kept who they elected accountable. It has not been easy countering the conservatism that has overtaken the US, but that's what one does, as should they.

Okay, I'll bite. I did the math - so you think the country has gone downhill since the Kennedy assassination? Good grief. So I'm guessing you were never a fan of LBJ's Great Society - the Voting Rights Act, Integration (end of 'Jim Crow'), Roe vs Wade, the continuing emancipation of women, etc.

 

[Bob Watson]

Clinton calls on FBI to release 'full and complete facts' of email review - CNNPolitics.com

care to defend Hillary on this Gene?

 

[Bob Watson]

The Cold Clinton Reality
the goods on the Clinton foundation!
time to have a long talk with my wife on Hillary! I wont vote for her any more than I will vote for trump!

 

[Gene Steinberg]

You believe a Rupert Murdoch paper? Please. The alleged new email is about Anthony Weiner actually. The FBI director may not even have seen them and is blowing smoke.

 

[Bob Watson]

and how about Bill and Hillary lining their pockets from a "charity" Clinton foundation?