Thanks Robert, Hear that Lancemoody, James Carlson, and Bill Nye? I suggest you listen and learn something Take notes.
I don't need to take notes. The only people who were there have both affirmed fallacies in Hastings conclusions. The 80-pages of FOIA documents do the same,' as do the TOP SECRET ICBM histories that were only declassified a couple of years ago. His own witnesses affirm that they never actually saw anything, and the stories they present not only contradict each other, they're also contrary to known facts that have already been confirmed. Maybe
you should take
these notes into consideration:
1. Why is there only one mention of UFOs in all of the documents related to Echo Flight, and that one mention is not only unclassified, but found to be groundless?
2. If UFOs were involved, why was the Echo Flight Incident classified SECRET, when all Air Force instructions agree that the classification of such an incident would be a minimum of TOP SECRET due to national security affected by unknown weaponry?
3. Why weren't UFOs reported to Blue Book for March 16, when Air Force Regulation 80-17 orders established in September 1966 required that such a report be made? This was, after all, well before 80-17 was cancelled, and well before the Bolender memo's discussion of JANAP 146 and AFM 55-11, which in any case doesn't order that Blue Book reporting be ignored; standing orders required a Blue Book report be made, regardless of what other reporting procedures were in use. We know this is the case, because there are numerous Blue Book reports that were also reported in accordance with JANAP 146 and AFM 55-11, one example being the 22 July 1965 military source report from Forbes AFB, Kansas (
www.bluebookarchive.org...) Requirements for one report has never meant that you ignore the other. So why weren't these instructions followed at Echo Flight?
4. Why weren't any UFOs reported in accordance with JANAP 146? And why didn't any of the messages involving Echo Flight utilize a flash precedence, a DoD requirement for all threat contacts within the borders of the US? JANAP 146 procedures require immediate notification to Wright-Patterson AFB if UFOs were involved, yet nothing involving Echo Flight went to Wright-Patterson -- NOTHING. Why? And keep in mind that message redundancy is always an issue.
5. Why weren't any UFOs reported in accordance with Air Force Manual 55-11? The reports of the missile failures were made in accordance with 55-11, but UFOs were not, and 55-11 dictates no redundancy, so UFOs, if present, were required to be reported at the same time as the Echo Flight missiles went down; why weren't they? And again, none of the 55-11 message traffic was sent to Wright-Patterson, a requirement for all UFO reporting procedures. Why wasn't this done?
6. If UFOs were present, why did Lt. Col. Chase, the Malmstrom UFO officer, affirm repeatedly that UFOs were not involved?
7. If UFOs were involved, why did the Air Force spend so much money simply to confirm that the commercial power grid was incapable of producing a noise pulse that would couple with the shielding in use to send a signal from the position of a known transformer fault? The USAF missile system was, after all, in the middle of a budget crisis precipitated by numerous equipment failures and reassessed vulnerabilities in the course of being repaired.
8. If UFOs were involved, then the event qualifies as an attack on US soil -- so why wasn't any of the reporting traffic given a flash precedence? All reporting on the missile failures went out to and from SAC as general traffic, with an ordinary level of precedence. In addition, much of the message traffic was only classified CONFIDENTIAL -- if UFOs were involved, all of this would have been different, so why wasn't it?
9. Three maintenance groups with associated security personnel were camped out at three of the Echo Flight silos -- why didn't anybody report anything until after the missiles went offline? Why did Walt Figel have to call THEM?
10. The combination of VRSA errors noted for Echo Flight had also occurred in December 1966 at Alpha Flight in conjunction with the loss of three missiles, but nowhere else in the entire system -- why hasn't anybody ever associated those losses with UFOs?
11. Why did nobody mention UFOs in connection with Echo Flight until 1995?
12. Why was nobody at Echo Flight required to sign the type of nondisclosure agreement that Robert Salas claims he had to sign?
13. If the phone calls made to Walt Figel were valid UFO reports, why didn't anybody mention anything while they were still outside? Why didn't anybody fire on the UFOs, as they were required to during an invasive attack against a US nuclear missile facility?
14. Why is it that Salas' commander to this day claims that he doesn't even believe in UFOs if they shut down missiles under his care?
15. Why are there no eyewitnesses to any of the UFO events?
16. Why are there no UFO reports for the entire state of Montana for March 16, 1967 when the Echo Flight Incident occurred at 0845 in the morning, when a lot of people would have been outside? Why is it that nobody ever noticed any UFOs in transit to and from anywhere at Malmstrom AFB? On March 24-25, so many people were out looking for UFOs due to the radio reports that they had already compromised a supposed landing area at the bottom of gully that under daylight conditions would have been difficult to get to, yet nobody saw any UFOs leave in the direction of Oscar Flight, 120 miles or so to the east.
17. Why did investigators report that at least partial responsibility for the susceptibility of the logic couplers to noise pulse was due to Autonetics over-ambitious use of integrated circuitry?
18. If -- as Salas and Hastings have claimed -- Blue Book is kept out of the loop where UFO events affect national security, why did they investigate the sightings at other military bases, including missile bases?
19. If UFOs were involved, why were none of the messages regarding Echo Flight sent to Wright-Patterson AFB or the Foreign Technology Division? FTD used to be the Air Technical Intelligence Center (ATIC). They not only ran Blue Book, they were also in charge of all unknown, experimental, and foreign technology developments -- after all, they would have been in charge if UFOs were involved, not OOAMA, not SAC, and certainly not BSD -- and yet, they weren't even listed for Info only. Everything went to Hill AFB, kind of a waste if UFOs were involved, don't you think?
20. Why were all messages involving the incident sent out with normal precedence of priority? After all, if UFOs were involved in an incident like this, all message traffic is immediately incorporated into the early warning system, as required in ALL of the procedures listed above -- and yet, nothing was sent with an immediate or flash precedence -- only priority, a precedence required for normal, daily traffic. These messages are supposed to be handled as quickly as possible, with in-station handing time not to exceed 6 hours; that's only one step faster than routine. And yet everything involving Echo Flight went out with this low precedence. Had UFOs actually been involved, you wouldn't have seen a single message with lower than Immediate precedence, and the first few messages would have been flash precedence. Why do you think that's the case? Even the Blue Book messages that went to Air Force staff in 1965 had an Immediate precedence (see
www.bluebookarchive.org...), but all of the Echo Flight messages? PRIORITY.
21. If UFOs were reported at Echo Flight, why has NOBODY come forward to claim they actually saw something? The only person to ever come forward to claim that they knew a UFO came down and did the job is Salas, and he saw nothing. Why have no eyewitnesses come forward in the past 40 years? According to Salas, the entire security team was outside with weapons drawn, and yet not a single confirmation.
22, Salas has stated that Lt. Col. Chase knew about the UFOs at Echo Flight and Oscar Flight, but lied about there being no equipment malfunctions to the Foreign Technology Division at Wright Patterson AFB in regard to March 24-25. Seeing as how FTD not only ran Blue Book, but were also in charge of all unknown, experimental, and foreign technology developments, why would Lt. Col. Chase lie to them?
23. Why is it that Roy Craig of the Condon group and Raymond Fowler of NICAP were both aware of the Echo Flight Incident, and the rumors of UFOs in connection to that incident, but nobody was willing to say that anything actually happened in connection to UFOs until 1995? After all, even as a rumor the information could have been used by NICAP. And yet, nothing until 1995.
24. Why was Echo Flight documented so thoroughly by the Air Force, yet Salas' claims regarding Oscar Flight were never documented at all, not even as message traffic which was also REQUIRED.
25. Why would anyone believe a maintenance personnelman who says "We got a Channel 9 No-Go. It must be a UFO hovering over the site. I think I see one here." when that person couldn't see anything, being in an equipment room next to the silo 6ft underground?
26. Why is it the second report came from the only guy who would have heard both sides of the first conversation, a security team leader, the guy manning the 2-way radio who said "Hey, I see one, too", about whom Figel said, "I was thinking he was yanking my chain more than anything else."
27. Why would Figel order everybody to remain on station until they were relieved if a UFO security breach were in progress? Why would the security personnel, obviously witnessing a high-level security breach, do absolutely nothing, even so far as reporting the incident to their direct chain of command at the security command post? That was, after all their job...
28. Why does the only document discussing the Echo Flight Incident that has a high enough security classification to actually express information regarding a UFO attack on an Air Force nuclear weapons system not even mention a UFO or any sort of interference by a UFO?
29. Why has Salas interpreted all information regarding this incident without once taking into consideration his knowledge of security classification protocol -- knowledge he was required at one time to know and understand -- unless he were trying to prove a point beyond what can actually be proven?
30. If UFOs were involved in the Echo Flight Incident, why was NSA not involved in the investigation?
31. Why would the Air Force conduct an expensive investigation lasting months with the assistance of two contract corporations that ignores entirely any interference by UFOs if that were the cause? By refusing to take UFOs into consideration, the entire investigation would be invalidated if a UFO were to blame.
32. Why have none of the witnesses involved in the investigation discussed any tests at all that would have taken UFO interference into question, if the cause of the missiles going offline was a UFO?
33. Why does Salas insist a UFO took out the missiles from a location adjacent to the front gate of the LCF, while the UFO that supposedly took out the missile system at Echo Flight was at a silo location 20 miles away from the Echo Flight LCF?
34. How could the investigation prove that an electronic noise pulse in the logic coupler took out all of the missiles at Echo Flight, resulting in exactly the same combination of errors noted only once before in the entire history of the Minuteman system, if a UFO knocked off all of the missiles from a silo location too far away from the LCF to actually do anything at all that would affect all of the missiles?
35. Why did Salas lie about the high number of missile failures typical nation wide in the Minuteman system between 1965 and 1968, stating instead that such failures were extremely rare?
36. Why did Salas claim that my father called him at the Oscar Flight LCF to notify him about the Echo Flight missile failures when communications of that sort would never occur?
37. Why did Salas lie about being notified by another LCF about the missile failures at Echo Flight, when communications of that sort would never occur?
38. Why did Salas claim for 13 years that he first heard about the failures of Echo Flight while he was still inside the LCF on the day it occured, his confidence strengthened by the fact that he specifically recalls his commander discussing the matter with him before they were relieved, if -- as he now claims -- he only learned about Echo Flight from another unnamed individual a week after the fact?
39. Why did Salas claim for years that he's certain the date of the incident at Oscar Flight was March 16, because he specifically remembers reading about the UFOs sighted over Malmstrom a week later, but now claims that he's certain the date was March 24-25, because he specifically remembers reading about those same UFO sightings the next day after his watch ended?
40. Why did Salas claim for years that an Electromagnetic Pulse of the same type caused by a nuclear detonation caused the Echo Flight Incident, when we know for a fact that didn't happen, that it was an electromagnetic pulse created internally by the equipment itself that actually took out the flight, as all records and documents assert, including those documents used by Salas to support his UFO claims?
41. If UFOs took out the missile systems at Echo Flight and Oscar Flight, a minor inconvenience at best, why did they do so? And why did they make it look so much like a relatively mediocre electronic event?
42. Why did the the electronic circuitry making up the logic couplers and the guidance and control units start failing all at the exact time period that they were expected to fail as a result of testing that wasn't conducted until the 1970s?
43. Why did the NS-17 guidance and control units start failing at the same time as the Echo Flight and Alpha Flight incidents for exactly the same reasons if UFOs weren't also involved at Alpha Flight or associated with the numerous NS-17 failures?
44. If electromagnetic noise wasn't an important factor in the failure of missile systems nation wide, why was so much money and man hours spent to conduct the testing and the incorporation of hardware to prevent such electrical events from occuring, and if UFOs caused the event at Echo Flight, why was everybody so certain the problems that caused the incident could be solved by reducing the susceptibility of the logic couplers to electronic noise?
45. If UFOs were involved at Echo Flight, why was nothing done to find a solution to the problem other than incorporating and applying already scheduled modifications to the Minuteman II system to the Minuteman I missiles as well?
46. Why did the Air Force emphasize poor quality control, sloppy workmanship, and too much dependence on the possibly poor understanding of new science and technologies incorporated by Autonetics in their contracted development of the guidance and control systems if UFOs were actually the cause of the missile failures at Echo Flight?
47. Why did the number of failures of the guidance and control units drop significantly as a result of the force modification incorporated as a result of the Echo Flight Incident if UFOs were responsible for the Echo Flight failures?
48. Why did investigators test for electromagnetic pulse injected directly into the logic couplers from the LCF if the noise pulse was injected externally by UFOs over the silos?
49. Why did the investigators tell the Air Force that the cause of the missile failures was an electronic noise pulse that affected the only susceptible equipment that had the ability to shut down the whole system -- the logic couplers -- if it was a UFO that did it?
ciao...
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Since I wasn't there I don't know who is right here. But I think that on the surface at least your argument sounds better than some are giving you credit for. Yet at the same time I can't help but be a little amused by how emotional you are getting over this. You make it sound like Salas and Hastings are DESTROYING your father with this, like they are accusing him of pedophilia, mass murder, and the destruction of the known universe. Relax, it's just a UFO and they aren't even alleging that he personally saw it. Ultimately what difference does it make what shut down the missiles? I can assure you that most people could care less. It's somewhat surreal watching grown men engaging in mortal combat over what most would consider less significant than pocket lint.
I happen to believe that someone's reputation is important, particularly when that someone had served his country for over two decades with great pride and distinction during a critical period of American history, with both the Cold War and the Vietnam War at their peak. While they don't claim that "he personally saw it", they do claim and have done so for years that he has lied to his own family for forty years. They've ruined as well the reputations of others who are now dead, and can't defend themselves from the needless abuse these men have heaped upon them, and I'm absolutely certain they'll do the same thing with my father, and they'll do it for the same reason: money. In my eyes, that's an infuriating assault that strikes directly at my family's reputation and honor -- and many of us have served our country, and we take that service very seriously.
I'm pleased that you credit my research -- and I sincerely appreciate it -- but I have such an emotional investment in this issue, because it strikes at my family. We're very proud of our service over the course of many, many decades, and when someone comes along to stain that service, we consider it an offense; and when it's done for
money, that offense, and the insult are repeated, and continuous until the money stops coming. I certainly understand why you think it's not very important, but please allow that it's
extremely important to us.
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