Can Anyone Explain The Purpose For These "Camps"?

[Rick Deckard]

Once in the camp, you will be beheaded according to Biblical prophecy. You see, Revelations supposedly says that in the End Times Christians will be persecuted. So Christians are seeing this happening to them now.

Surely these people pray every night for the Lord to 'take them'. I bet they just can't wait to be with Him in His kingdom...why don't Christian parents kill their kids at birth and cut out the 'purgatory' that is living? Surely that would be the 'loving' thing to do - save them from all the waiting and suffering.

Wow, I sounded really 'extreme' there. I may have even broken some 'blasphemy' laws with that statement (even if it was in jest). I apologize for that - please don't take me seriously on that one.

Could it be that posting comments on the Paracast Forum will be what dooms me to a concentration camp? Wow. Maybe I better go undercover.

Only if you display an adequate level of critical thinking or dare to question authority, then you're public enemy number one. Burn the heretic for he is not a true believer!!

 

[Frozen E.T. Burrito]

Perhaps for once FEMA is thinking ahead by having emergency land set asside for temporary housing for such people. Of course, that takes the fear factor out of all this, and then it's no fun. Sorry.

If that were the case, then:

• Why is it operated by private prison firms and DHS?
• Why all the secrecy? It would seem they would be able to send out a (genuinely) relaxed and smiling representative to answer any questions that we have, and even invite us in for a tour to show us how well they are planning for our safety.

 

[MagentaCandle]

Perhaps for once FEMA is thinking ahead by having emergency land set asside for temporary housing for such people. Of course, that takes the fear factor out of all this, and then it's no fun. Sorry.

If that were the case, then:

• Why is it operated by private prison firms and DHS?
• Why all the secrecy? It would seem they would be able to send out a (genuinely) relaxed and smiling representative to answer any questions that we have, and even invite us in for a tour to show us how well they are planning for our safety.

Good point.

 

[fitzbew88]

Perhaps for once FEMA is thinking ahead by having emergency land set asside for temporary housing for such people. Of course, that takes the fear factor out of all this, and then it's no fun. Sorry.

If that were the case, then:

• Why is it operated by private prison firms and DHS?
• Why all the secrecy? It would seem they would be able to send out a (genuinely) relaxed and smiling representative to answer any questions that we have, and even invite us in for a tour to show us how well they are planning for our safety.

Private firms run *many* government functions --- from transmitter repair to highway construction to janitorial duties. The detention facilities are under DHS because immigration control (Border Patrol and related functions) are now under DHS.

As far as "why all the secrecy" ---- what secrecy? The only sensitivity I've seen in this thread are in areas of continuity of government. The reason for security around those plans is self-evident hopefully.

Come on guys ---- give me something. If the government is about to throw a holocaust at me, there must be some sign of it. Something out of the ordinary must be going on somewhere. Help me out a little.

 

[mike]

claims of "open borders" aside. from what i can see the usa has a real problem with illegal aliens from mexico.

ive read that a high percentage of those caught will, when put back on their side of the border, simply try again
the US govt started flying the more enthusiastic offenders south, deeply embedding them way back from the border (very expensive for the US)
and while the percentage of retrys drops slightly many just hitch a ride north and try again.
once employed many send the bulk of the money as a gift back to family south of the border.

this "gift" is bad news for the american economy, measured in the billions

a normal transaction is an exchange of value ie money for goods goods for money, money sent back is not this sort of transaction though and the loser in this transaction is..... the US and its people.

if the problem continues and simply sending them south is not working then perhaps there is soon to be a policy shift (perhaps post real ID) that incarcerates these offenders for say 2 years in order to better disuade those thinking of illegal immigration.

right now a poor mexican family only has to try and keep trying to get a strong son into america to work for them, if hes caught no big deal he just trys again and keeps trying till he suceeds.

there is no incentive NOT to try and do it.

these camps may become the incentive.
it will only take a change of policy

 

[Rick Deckard]

So there has been a long term privatization campaign going on of outsourcing tasks to private industry that can (let's face it) perhaps do it much better than the Army Corp of Engineers. This is standard procedure, and not really insidious in itself unless all those contracts are top secret so that the American people have no idea who is really doing the work.

Well, here's what happens in the UK (and almost certainly in the USA):

• Large company donates several millions to the party currently in Government
• Large company boss receives some sort of honour - though that's less likely now
• Large company is awarded large contract to build / supply something to the country
• Large company charges what it thinks it can get away with because it's the tax-payer that's footing the bill
• Shareholders in large company bank their windfall profits
• Politicians leave the party and take up their lucrative position on the board of directors for the large company
• Tax-payer gets very poor value for money

Privatisation of the UK utility companies has also been a disaster for the consumer - for example, we've had a mild winter this year (did somebody say, Global Warming) which means people have been using less gas...BUT, the shareholders are demanding a consistent return on their investment, so the gas prices have gone up to make up the difference!

Insidious is the word.

Sorry people, I keep taking you off topic, I know...

 

[MagentaCandle]

Ritt Goldstein, an investigative reporter for the Herald, writes that recent pronouncements from the Bush administration and national security initiatives put in place in the Reagan era could see internment camps and martial law in the United States:

http://www.arizona.indymedia.org/news/2002/08/3646

In the article, Ritt Goldstein writes:

America as you know it is changing dramatically. The democratic freedoms which long defined American life are under siege. Today's Bush administration is moving towards America's military pursuing law enforcement, internment camps are on the horizon, and a member of the US Civil Rights Commission previously broached Arab-American internment.

Hidden behind FEMA’s benevolent face as the body whose chief responsibility is disaster relief, another FEMA exists. It is a FEMA that few know has been “charged by the Bush Administration with leading the nation’s anti-terrorism effort”, and a FEMA whose history includes nightmarish episodes in this vein.

Here is another article by Mr. Goldstein that details plans for Martial Law in the United States which was published in the Sydney, Australia, Morning Herald:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/27/...l?oneclick=true

 

[fitzbew88]

Ritt Goldstein, an investigative reporter for the Herald...

Where do you get this idea? Why do you think he works for the Herald?

Do you realize this guy applied for political asylum in Sweden because he thought U.S. police forces were out to get him? He thinks it was the result of his efforts to implement law enforcement oversight.

Because nobody in the U.S. ever criticizes the police. Nope, not ever. Unheard of. No no no, they will run you out of country if you complain.

( As they say in Sweden, I don't think his elevator goes all the way to the top. )

I LOL'd when I saw the references to the Stasi and East Germany in his bio. Comparing the U.S. to Nazi Germany is a sure sign of being mentally defective.

... writes that recent pronouncements from the Bush administration and national security initiatives put in place in the Reagan era could see internment camps and martial law in the United States:

"..*could* see internment camps and martial law"? Why, MagentaCandle I am starting to see a glimmer of hope. *Is* there a conspiracy to inflict a holocaust on me or "could" there be a conspiracy to inflict a holocaust on me? Which is it?

Is this the best you have? Ritt Goldstein? Six-year old articles from people of dubious mental character? Does old Ritt realize we may have camps under construction in Sweden? The Illuminati, you know, are everywhere.

I am so totally distressed that you started this thread but you have nothing. You are making fun of us, testing our gullibility. You don't seem to have any good reason for this belief.

Here is another article by Mr. Goldstein that details plans for Martial Law in the United States which was published in the Sydney, Australia, Morning Herald:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/27/...l?oneclick=true

Same stuff. He seems to be some kind've activist anarchist with a victim complex. I wonder why he didn't apply to Cuba or North Korea or Iran for political asylum. Running to a U.S. ally was an odd choice. FAIL.

I am so BORED. Magenta, give me something good. I need some excitement. You must have SOMETHING. Distorted opinion pieces in Australian newspapers can't be all there is.

Have you presented your evidence to your local ACLU office? If you can convince them that a conspiracy is in place to round up Americans and dump us in "concentration camps", they may find it of passing interest. Just a thought. I doubt they monitor the Paracast forums though.

 

[MagentaCandle]

Ritt Goldstein, an investigative reporter for the Herald...

Where do you get this idea? Why do you think he works for the Herald?

Do you realize this guy applied for political asylum in Sweden because he thought U.S. police forces were out to get him? He thinks it was the result of his efforts to implement law enforcement oversight.

Because nobody in the U.S. ever criticizes the police. Nope, not ever. Unheard of. No no no, they will run you out of country if you complain.

( As they say in Sweden, I don't think his elevator goes all the way to the top. )

I LOL'd when I saw the references to the Stasi and East Germany in his bio. Comparing the U.S. to Nazi Germany is a sure sign of being mentally defective.

... writes that recent pronouncements from the Bush administration and national security initiatives put in place in the Reagan era could see internment camps and martial law in the United States:

"..*could* see internment camps and martial law"? Why, MagentaCandle I am starting to see a glimmer of hope. *Is* there a conspiracy to inflict a holocaust on me or "could" there be a conspiracy to inflict a holocaust on me? Which is it?

Is this the best you have? Ritt Goldstein? Six-year old articles from people of dubious mental character? Does old Ritt realize we may have camps under construction in Sweden? The Illuminati, you know, are everywhere.

I am so totally distressed that you started this thread but you have nothing. You are making fun of us, testing our gullibility. You don't seem to have any good reason for this belief.

Here is another article by Mr. Goldstein that details plans for Martial Law in the United States which was published in the Sydney, Australia, Morning Herald:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/27/...l?oneclick=true

Same stuff. He seems to be some kind've activist anarchist with a victim complex. I wonder why he didn't apply to Cuba or North Korea or Iran for political asylum. Running to a U.S. ally was an odd choice. FAIL.

I am so BORED. Magenta, give me something good. I need some excitement. You must have SOMETHING. Distorted opinion pieces in Australian newspapers can't be all there is.

Have you presented your evidence to your local ACLU office? If you can convince them that a conspiracy is in place to round up Americans and dump us in "concentration camps", they may find it of passing interest. Just a thought. I doubt they monitor the Paracast forums though.

Well, I do plan to continue taking you to school....if thats what you mean? Fritzboy

 

[mike]

freshen my memory again, is the idea that these camps are being built all around the world and that at some stage the populations of the world will start to get rounded up and taken to these camps where they will be "culled" for reasons of managmental neccessity as per the NWO's plan or as a food source for the reptillian hordes.

we have dentention centres here for illegals but nothing that resembles a meat processing plant, still i suppose its only fair that the country that brought us mcdonalds be the first to open a reptoid fly through francise

i dunno though we humans have been happy to cull the numbers of other species, but the last time someone tried to set up camps to do that to humans......... well they were stopped

its far cheaper and easier to control a mans muscles by controling his brain, than it is to control his body by locking it up.
ergo the camps are for those whos brains cant be controlled

we sometimes call them prisons, but they are a last resort. its easier and much cheaper to educate and indoctrinate a man where possible,thus controlling his muscle via his mind than it is to lock him up in order to control him body

its also healthier and more productive to structure mans social environment in this manner

 

[fitzbew88]

Well, I do plan to continue taking you to school....if thats what you mean? Fritzboy

What? A NON-ANSWER! Is that the best you have?

Have you given me all the reasons you believe that the U.S. Government is actively planning a self-inflicted holocaust? All of them?

Don't you have a sound reason to believe it? If not, why are you spreading this insanity around in a hotbed of gullibility? Aren't you concerned with the damage you could do?

If you don't have any evidence, then why in the name of the Space People are you throwing this fodder around? Do you think it's funny? An amusing way to spend an afternoon? If you believe it, why are you not doing something about it in a reasonable forum?

If you don't believe it, then why are you doing it?

 

[MagentaCandle]

Well, I do plan to continue taking you to school....if thats what you mean? Fritzboy

What? A NON-ANSWER! Is that the best you have?

Have you given me all the reasons you believe that the U.S. Government is actively planning a self-inflicted holocaust? All of them?

Don't you have a sound reason to believe it? If not, why are you spreading this insanity around in a hotbed of gullibility? Aren't you concerned with the damage you could do?

If you don't have any evidence, then why in the name of the Space People are you throwing this fodder around? Do you think it's funny? An amusing way to spend an afternoon? If you believe it, why are you not doing something about it in a reasonable forum?

If you don't believe it, then why are you doing it?

Tell you what, when you stop dodging the truth than mayble I'll consider it.

 

[MagentaCandle]

Here is a copy of an article written by Jonathan Turley of the Los Angeles Times, On August 14th, 2002 entitled Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft’s Hellish Vision:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/CfCAHV.pdf

In the article, Jonathan Turley writes:

Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft’s announced desire for camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be "enemy combatants" has moved him from merely being a political embarrassment to being a constitutional menace.

Ashcroft’s plan, disclosed last week but little publicized, would allow him to order the indefinite incarceration of U.S. citizens and summarily strip them of their constitutional rights and access to the courts by declaring them enemy combatants.

The proposed camp plan should trigger immediate congressional hearings and
reconsideration of Ashcroft’s fitness for this important office. Whereas Al Qaeda is a threat to the lives of our citizens, Ashcroft has become a clear and present threat to our liberties.

The camp plan was forged at an optimistic time for Ashcroft’s small inner circle, which has been carefully watching to test cases to see whether this vision could become a reality.

The cases of Jose Padilla and Yaser Esam Hamdi will determine whether U.S. citizens can be held without charges and subject to the arbitrary and unchecked authority of the government.

Jonathan Turley's Blog:

http://jonathanturley.org/

 

[mike]

Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft’s announced desire for camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be "enemy combatants"

how is that any different than the internment camps of ww2, and dont say they were not neccessary, for all you know youd be speaking german today if they hadnt beed included in the battleplan

im still horrified the US let david hicks go, he should have been shot trying to escape

the good of the many out weight the desires of a few

thats why we have prisons and electric chairs

 

[fitzbew88]

Here is a copy of an article written by Jonathan Turley of the Los Angeles Times, On August 14th, 2002 entitled Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft’s Hellish Vision...

Good God, man, this is a Defense Lawyer's indictment of a conservative U.S. Attorney General! The nature of this guy's job is to twist the truth in order to favor his high-profile defendants charged with terrorism-type crimes.

And again, it's just whining about the possibility of suspected American terrorists being rounded up without due process. NOTHING about a holocaust.

You are just posting the same thing over and over again, from different liberal activists. Have you got nothing else? Where is the truth in this?

Where is your evidence for the upcoming self-inflicted holocaust?

www.ratical.org ??? Are you kidding me?

Tell you what, when you stop dodging the truth than mayble I'll consider it.

WHAT TRUTH. Did I miss it? I promise you, if you give me real evidence, I will NOT ignore it.

Help me out a little, give me something WORTH ignoring!

There must be something. If you believe this is truth, you must have a reason for it. Surely, you would not be spreading this holocaust fantasy around if you did not have some kind've evidence.

 

[Tommy Allison]

Funny thing about the Germans after the Holocaust was made public knowledge. They had no idea that these camps had been built in the 1930's, PRIOR to Hitler coming to power.

Then feigned ignorance after their neighbors were rounded up and sent to their doom.

It'll happen here. It CAN happen here. Take a look at the legislation that's been passed over the last 14 years. It CAN happen here.

 

[Rick Deckard]

It'll happen here. It CAN happen here. Take a look at the legislation that's been passed over the last 14 years. It CAN happen here.

But why would it?

 

[fitzbew88]

Funny thing about the Germans after the Holocaust was made public knowledge. They had no idea that these camps had been built in the 1930's, PRIOR to Hitler coming to power.

I can't find any evidence that this is true. Can you provide any documentation that a concentration camp was build prior to January 1933 (when Hitler was sworn in as Chancellor)?

Then feigned ignorance after their neighbors were rounded up and sent to their doom.

I guess you mean, some of them pretended they didn't know what was going on --- what was happening to those that were rounded up. Not sure what this has to do with the current discussion, but it is an unfortunate observation of the human condition.

It'll happen here. It CAN happen here. Take a look at the legislation that's been passed over the last 14 years. It CAN happen here.

No legislation has been passed here that will allow wholesale roundups (and execution!) of folks based on ethnicity or religion. I can't imagine a scenario that would make it likely. If WWII, Korea, Vietnam, 9/11, 2 Gulf Wars --- if these horrors didn't trigger it --- I'm not sure anything ever could.

So, I guess I disagree with your assessment.

 

[fitzbew88]

While reading up on some of the psychological issues surrounding why people buy into issues like this (forthcoming self-inflicted American holocaust), I noticed that technically this issue doesn't fit the traditional definition of "conspiracy theory" in that it doesn't reflect an event that has already happened.

In the classical definition, there is some real "event" that a conspiracy-type belief system can be constructed around. (JFK, moon landing, 9/11...)

The focus of this thread doesn't seem to be based on anything substantial. Opinion pieces written by folks that are at best of dubious credibility, 50 year old executive orders, 25 year old continuity-of-government exercises, hum-drum run-of-the-mill government documents --- and a sprinkling of apocalyptic religious fervor.

Perhaps this phenomena deserves its own name.

Proponents of this theory don't seem to have worked out anything. It seems entirely based on some kind've perverse "wishful thinking". They want to hate the government so bad they fabricate enormous future atrocities.

The irony is there are *lots* of reasons to hate the government --- there is no reason to make things up.

It's a perplexing phenomena.

 

[mike]

watched an elderly gentleman come off his bicycle on the great western highway the other day as we drove to the supermarket.

"without thinking" my wife pulled to the side and we grabbed the first aid kit.

he was ok and turned down our offer of a ride home and or to hospital.

by the time we were done others had pulled over all wanting to help.....

the MAJORITY of humans in their present social form are noble

have a little faith in that and relax a little.

the "world" has gone to war twice in order to prove that very point

and WE won both times