Can Anyone Explain The Purpose For These "Camps"?

[MagentaCandle]

Nat Hentoff (born June 10, 1925) is an American historian, novelist, and columnist for the Village Voice, Legal Times, Washington Times, The Progressive, Editor & Publisher, Free Inquiry and Jewish World Review.

Nat Hentoff received his B.A. with the highest honors from Northeastern University and did graduate work at Harvard. He was a Fulbright fellow at the Sorbonne in Paris in 1950. From 1953 through 1957 he was associate editor of Down Beat magazine. He was awarded a Guggenheim Fellowship in education and an American Bar Association Silver Gavel Award in 1980 for his coverage of the law and criminal justice in his columns. In 1985 he was awarded an honorary Doctorate of Laws by Northeastern University.

Here is an article by Nat Hentoff in the Village Voice in which he also outlines General Ashcroft's plans for Detention Camps in the United States:

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0236,hentoff,38006,6.html

In the article, Hentoff states:

"Now more Americans are also going to be dispossessed of every fundamental legal right in our system of justice and put into camps."

Here is more info about Nat Hentoff:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Hentoff

 

[fitzbew88]

In the article, Hentoff states:

"Now more Americans are also going to be dispossessed of every fundamental legal right in our system of justice and put into camps."

Mag, are you even bothering to read the article? It's an article in the VILLAGE VOICE decrying John Aschcroft and worrying about the rights of American terrorists.

SO WHAT. There is no sign of a conspiracy. No sign of this holocaust you are longing for. It's SIX years old.

Do you have anything else? Anything that is not an opinion piece in a liberal newspaper criticizing a conservative U.S. attorney?

Mag, you really should apologize to the forum members. Your ill-advised spreading of paranoid "holocaust-mongering" has degenerated into run-of-the-mill liberal criticisms of a Republican government. Yawn. I'm so disappointed in you.

Is this all you have? Go back and look at your first posting and ask yourself: "Where did I go wrong?"

 

[MagentaCandle]

In the article, Hentoff states:

"Now more Americans are also going to be dispossessed of every fundamental legal right in our system of justice and put into camps."

Mag, are you even bothering to read the article? It's an article in the VILLAGE VOICE decrying John Aschcroft and worrying about the rights of American terrorists.

SO WHAT. There is no sign of a conspiracy. No sign of this holocaust you are longing for. It's SIX years old.

Do you have anything else? Anything that is not an opinion piece in a liberal newspaper criticizing a conservative U.S. attorney?

Mag, you really should apologize to the forum members. Your ill-advised spreading of paranoid "holocaust-mongering" has degenerated into run-of-the-mill liberal criticisms of a Republican government. Yawn. I'm so disappointed in you.

Is this all you have? Go back and look at your first posting and ask yourself: "Where did I go wrong?"

Oh I read it Fitz. I read it loud and clear.

 

[MagentaCandle]

Anita Ramasastry is a law professor at the University of Washington School of Law in Seattle and a director of the Shidler Center for Law, Commerce & Technology. She is also a regular columnist for the online legal commentary Writ.

Ramasastry earned a B.A. in 1988 from Harvard University, a M.A. in 1990 from University of Sydney, and a J.D. in 1992 from Harvard Law School.

Here is a CNN news article about Ashcrofts plan for detention camps in America done by Anita Ramasastry:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/08/column...stry.detainees/

In the article, Anita Ramasastry states:

Attorney General Ashcroft and the White House are considering creating military detention camps for all U.S. citizens deemed by the administration to be enemy combatants.

The internees will be deemed enemy combatants. By whom? By the military alone -- without any right to judicial review in a federal court or otherwise.

The government's position is that its own decision as to who is an enemy combatant is binding on federal courts, and that it need not even offer the courts individualized facts to support particular detention decisions.

We now are faced with a scary prospect -- indefinite detention of multiple citizens because the government decides they are dangerous. The mere suggestion of camps or group detention facilities implies that the Executive is, in fact, considering using its newfound citizen-combatant detention program on a broader scale.

Here is more information about Anita Ramasastry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Ramasastry

 

[MagentaCandle]

In the article, Hentoff states:

"Now more Americans are also going to be dispossessed of every fundamental legal right in our system of justice and put into camps."

Mag, are you even bothering to read the article? It's an article in the VILLAGE VOICE decrying John Aschcroft and worrying about the rights of American terrorists.

SO WHAT. There is no sign of a conspiracy. No sign of this holocaust you are longing for. It's SIX years old.

Do you have anything else? Anything that is not an opinion piece in a liberal newspaper criticizing a conservative U.S. attorney?

Mag, you really should apologize to the forum members. Your ill-advised spreading of paranoid "holocaust-mongering" has degenerated into run-of-the-mill liberal criticisms of a Republican government. Yawn. I'm so disappointed in you.

Is this all you have? Go back and look at your first posting and ask yourself: "Where did I go wrong?"

Oh I read it Fitz. I read it loud and clear.

 

[MagentaCandle]

Anita Ramasastry is a law professor at the University of Washington School of Law in Seattle and a director of the Shidler Center for Law, Commerce & Technology. She is also a regular columnist for the online legal commentary Writ.

Ramasastry earned a B.A. in 1988 from Harvard University, a M.A. in 1990 from University of Sydney, and a J.D. in 1992 from Harvard Law School.

Here is a CNN news article about Ashcrofts plan for detention camps in America done by Anita Ramasastry:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/08/column...stry.detainees/

In the article, Anita Ramasastry states:

Attorney General Ashcroft and the White House are considering creating military detention camps for all U.S. citizens deemed by the administration to be enemy combatants.

The internees will be deemed enemy combatants. By whom? By the military alone -- without any right to judicial review in a federal court or otherwise.

The government's position is that its own decision as to who is an enemy combatant is binding on federal courts, and that it need not even offer the courts individualized facts to support particular detention decisions.

We now are faced with a scary prospect -- indefinite detention of multiple citizens because the government decides they are dangerous. The mere suggestion of camps or group detention facilities implies that the Executive is, in fact, considering using its newfound citizen-combatant detention program on a broader scale.

Here is more information about Anita Ramasastry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Ramasastry

 

[fitzbew88]

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In the article, Anita Ramasastry states:

Attorney General Ashcroft and the White House are considering creating military detention camps for all U.S. citizens deemed by the administration to be enemy combatants.

YAWN YAWN YAWN. Mag, is this it? More liberal lawyer drivel? If you are trying to warn us that defense lawyers worry about people being locked up without due process --- let me save you some trouble --- we know that.

Do you realize Ashcroft resigned? Will we be moving out of 2002 any time soon? You seem to be fixated on him. Can we at least move on to the current Attorney General?

What about the holocaust? You haven't mentioned it lately. Would you like to me to provide some liberal links? You know, I am liberal when it comes to domestic policy. But I am not an idiot running around like Chicken Little without a clear purpose.

I also know how to answer questions --- do you?

Here's a question: Are you an American citizen?

 

[MagentaCandle]

This is not about answering your questions Fitzie. It's about exposing the truth. You're either doing that or not doing that.

Just because Ashcroft resigned, doesn't mean the plans for the camps did. If they were even truly his to begin with. As with most people in office, they are merely pulling strings. For some other entity.

Nope. The camps are still around. The plans are still around. They are being built to this day. More and more and more and.....whoa...now we just have to wait until the day they start to be filled.

 

[fitzbew88]

This is not about answering your questions Fitzie. It's about exposing the truth. You're either doing that or not doing that.

I'm aghast.

Just because Ashcroft resigned, doesn't mean the plans for the camps did. If they were even truly his to begin with. As with most people in office, they are merely pulling strings. For some other entity.

Who?

Nope. The camps are still around. The plans are still around. They are being built to this day. More and more and more and.....whoa...now we just have to wait until the day they start to be filled.

GIVE ME ONE FREAKING CAMP. ONE. THE SITE OF ONE SINGLE CAMP. SHOW ME ONE PAGE OF THE PLAN.

 

[MagentaCandle]

Are you still taking this as a joke? Are you?

We're talking Gulag Style man. This is not a joke.

Pull you're shit together.

 

[MagentaCandle]

Here is a Pacific News article published in 2006 about a $385 million contract for Halliburton subsidiary KBR to build concentration camps all across the United States:

http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=eed74d9d44c30493706fe03f4c9b3a77

In the article, it states that:

Almost no paper so far has discussed the possibility that detention centers could be used to detain American citizens if the Bush administration were to declare martial law.

Plans for detention facilities or camps have a long history, going back to fears in the 1970s of a national uprising by black militants.

After 9/11, new martial law plans began to surface similar to those of FEMA in the 1980s. In January 2002 the Pentagon submitted a proposal for deploying troops on American streets.

It is clear that the Bush administration is thinking seriously about martial law. A multimillion program for detention facilities will greatly increase NORTHCOM's ability to respond to any domestic disorders.

 

[fitzbew88]

Here is a Pacific News article published in 2006 about a $385 million contract for Halliburton subsidiary KBR to build concentration camps all across the United States:

http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=eed74d9d44c30493706fe03f4c9b3a77

The author, Peter Scott, has a bio in Wikipedia that starts like this:

"Peter Dale Scott (born 1929) is a Canadian poet and a former English professor at the University of California, Berkeley...."

Anything from someone more mainstream? Any "evidence"?

Do you have any more information on the Haliburton contract? We've already determined there is a lot of construction for detention facilities to cope with our growing immigration problems. Are you sure the intent is not benign?

Also, judging from the Pacific News web site, you gotta take it with a grain of salt:

Pacific News Service is a nonprofit media organization that was founded in 1969 as an alternative source of news and analysis on the U.S. role in Vietnam. Since then, we have evolved into a highly experimental communications hub for journalists, scholars, filmmakers, artists and young people dedicated to bringing the seldom heard, often most misunderstood or ignored voices and ideas into the public forum. PNS produces a daily news syndicate and sponsors magazine articles, books, TV segments (including Richard Rodriguez's essays for PBS's "News Hour with Jim Lehrer") and films (including the 1997 Oscar-winning documentary "Breathing Lessons")....

I mean, I'm not saying everything they do is bad but they just don't seem to be objective. I would like information from someone who doesn't have an agenda.

 

[fitzbew88]

Are you still taking this as a joke? Are you?

We're talking Gulag Style man. This is not a joke.

Pull you're[sic] shit together.

[Youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=NPk5mCYKCtU[/Youtube]

 

[MagentaCandle]

Do you have any more information on the Haliburton contract? We've already determined there is a lot of construction for detention facilities to cope with our growing immigration problems. Are you sure the intent is not benign?

I mean, I'm not saying everything they do is bad but they just don't seem to be objective. I would like information from someone who doesn't have an agenda.

Here is another article from MarketWatch covering the same story about how the government is hiring Halliburton subsidiary KBR with a 385 million contract to build concentration camps all across the United States:

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7b62C8724D-AE8A-4B5C-94C7-70171315C0A0%7d&dist=SignInArchive¶m=archive&siteid=mktw&dateid=38741.5136277662-858254656

In the article, it states that:

The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency (Which is whatever the government deems it to be), such as a natural disaster, the company said.

 

[fitzbew88]

Here is another article from MarketWatch covering the same story about how the government is hiring Halliburton subsidiary KBR with a 385 million contract to build concentration camps all across the United States:

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7b62C8724D-AE8A-4B5C-94C7-70171315C0A0%7d&dist=SignInArchive¶m=archive&siteid=mktw&dateid=38741.5136277662-858254656

In the article, it states that:

The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency (Which is whatever the government deems it to be), such as a natural disaster, the company said.

But, Mag, this is just business as usual. Plus, it's a "contingency contract". This just means that *if* there is an emergency, the Feds will already have a contract in place with KBR to build detention facilities. (After an emergency takes place is a really lousy time to work such issues out.)

If the holocaust is forthcoming, shouldn't they actually be building something?

Do you have any internal memos? Emails? I have seen lots of folks worrying about the loss of due process and the potential abuse of laws designed to fight terrorism. But this is just business as usual. Americans have worried about such things since Day 1, 1776.

May I ask you a question that might help us reach some middle ground? Do you believe that a "real" event is planned and forthcoming? Or, do you believe that changes to our laws are creating an environment in which the "possibility" of such an event is increased?

 

[fitzbew88]

fitzbew88,

That video collage from HOGAN'S HEROES is priceless!

However, you do realize that HH was covertly trying to alert the American people to the danger that would lurk 40+ years later when anyone who breaks the rules of their Homeowners Association could end up in a concentration camp, don't you? "I know nothing. I see nothing. They came last night for my neighbor who refused to take the statue of the plastic pig out of his front yard. But I said nothing, because I hate pork".

People rant about how corporations are turning the USA into a police state, but I know the truth. The real tyrants are Home Owners Associations. Some day there will be a mass uprising, a second revolution in this country, but it won't be against Halliburton or Exxon, it will be against the Happy Valley HOA, which refuses to let homeowners park their cars in the drive-way.

I know you're kidding but I have been under the thrall of an HOA since 1992 and you are too close to the truth. (And, coincidentally, they sent me a letter in January warning me about how my car was parked.)

Moving into this hellhole was close to my worst mistake ever. I was an idiot --- my Pop warned me, but it was too late and I thought I knew everything.

 

[MagentaCandle]

Here is another article from MarketWatch covering the same story about how the government is hiring Halliburton subsidiary KBR with a 385 million contract to build concentration camps all across the United States:

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7b62C8724D-AE8A-4B5C-94C7-70171315C0A0%7d&dist=SignInArchive¶m=archive&siteid=mktw&dateid=38741.5136277662-858254656

In the article, it states that:

The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency (Which is whatever the government deems it to be), such as a natural disaster, the company said.

But, Mag, this is just business as usual. Plus, it's a "contingency contract". This just means that *if* there is an emergency, the Feds will already have a contract in place with KBR to build detention facilities. (After an emergency takes place is a really lousy time to work such issues out.)

If the holocaust is forthcoming, shouldn't they actually be building something?

Do you have any internal memos? Emails? I have seen lots of folks worrying about the loss of due process and the potential abuse of laws designed to fight terrorism. But this is just business as usual. Americans have worried about such things since Day 1, 1776.

May I ask you a question that might help us reach some middle ground? Do you believe that a "real" event is planned and forthcoming? Or, do you believe that changes to our laws are creating an environment in which the "possibility" of such an event is increased?

Business as usual indeed. And it's all pointing to one thing - Concentration Camps for American citizens.

 

[MagentaCandle]

Here is another article from Alternet covering the same story about how the government is hiring Halliburton subsidiary KBR with a 385 million contract to build concentration camps all across the United States:

http://www.alternet.org/rights/42458/

In the article, it states that:

The Military Commissions Act of 2006 governing the treatment of detainees is the culmination of relentless fear-mongering by the Bush administration since the September 11 terrorist attacks.

Because the bill was adopted with lightning speed, barely anyone noticed that it empowers Bush to declare not just aliens, but also U.S. citizens, "unlawful enemy combatants."

Bush & Co. has portrayed the bill as a tough way to deal with aliens to protect us against terrorism. Frightened they might lose their majority in Congress in the November elections, the Republicans rammed the bill through Congress with little substantive debate.

Anyone who donates money to a charity that turns up on Bush's list of "terrorist" organizations, or who speaks out against the government's policies could be declared an "unlawful enemy combatant" and imprisoned indefinitely. That includes American citizens.

Kellogg Brown & Root, a subsidiary of Cheney's Halliburton, is constructing a huge facility at an undisclosed location to hold tens of thousands of undesirables.

We can expect Bush to continue to exploit 9/11 to strip us of more of our liberties. Our constitutional right to dissent is in serious jeopardy. Benjamin Franklin's prescient warning should give us pause: "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security."

 

[fitzbew88]

Here is another article from Alternet covering the same story about how the government is hiring Halliburton subsidiary KBR with a 385 million contract to build concentration camps all across the United States:

http://www.alternet.org/rights/42458/

As the earlier article pointed out, these are "contingency contracts" --- not even built unless they're needed. Unless there is some kind've event.

And the focus of the article is worries about Bush administration excesses in the War on Terrorism. Certainly, a valid concern, but no suggestion of a self-inflicted holocaust.

If what you are positing is true, to convince folks we must be able to provide evidence more substantial than opinion pieces like this. We need hard evidence.

Nobody is going to take anything on Alternet seriously, I think.

It makes me kind've sad to think that there are real concentration camps out in the world and they are being ignored while we cope with this weird fantasy put forth by someone who I do not believe even lives in the U.S..

 

[MagentaCandle]

Here is another article from Alternet covering the same story about how the government is hiring Halliburton subsidiary KBR with a 385 million contract to build concentration camps all across the United States:

http://www.alternet.org/rights/42458/

As the earlier article pointed out, these are "contingency contracts" --- not even built unless they're needed. Unless there is some kind've event.

And the focus of the article is worries about Bush administration excesses in the War on Terrorism. Certainly, a valid concern, but no suggestion of a self-inflicted holocaust.

If what you are positing is true, to convince folks we must be able to provide evidence more substantial than opinion pieces like this. We need hard evidence.

Nobody is going to take anything on Alternet seriously, I think.

It makes me kind've sad to think that there are real concentration camps out in the world and they are being ignored while we cope with this weird fantasy put forth by someone who I do not believe even lives in the U.S..

You have already under-estimated your fellow Brothers and Sisters. Many of them have already seen the Truth. Many of them are already speaking out. You seem to be defending the governments claims for the reasons for the camps. You also forget that over 800 have already been built.

The evidence is at hand. All you need to do is to be able to see it.